Update

[Acca Dacca]

We all knew change was coming with the USO

I hate to harp on about this, but this is the hill I am going to die on.

The USO is not changing. Parliament hasn't changed the law and parliament is highly unlikely to change it for the forseeable future. The delivery specification remains a six day service. All that Ofcom (not parliament) changed was relaxing the targets for 2nd Class to enable the ODM to meet the spec on a technicality.

6 into 8 is the same as 3 into 4.

Mathematically, yes. Yet six bodies is more than three so they'll be digging far less of a hole for themselves.

The union are calling it “the USO” when talking about the changes so that’s why I’m calling it the USO

See their update

I dont get your last part

For every 8 duties 6 posties cover them is the same as 3 doing 4 walks and another 3 doing another 4 walks

It’s still six bodies covering 8 walks

[Perseus]

Hull Malmo Road DO is being hailed on Robin App as a Pilot Success story.

Any insight into this?

[BenacreNick]

What about 5 into 6.

6 into 6 might just work Rommagic ?

[Rommagic]

No savings in 6 into 6.

[Pidleypoo]

We all knew change was coming with the USO

I hate to harp on about this, but this is the hill I am going to die on.

The USO is not changing. Parliament hasn't changed the law and parliament is highly unlikely to change it for the forseeable future. The delivery specification remains a six day service. All that Ofcom (not parliament) changed was relaxing the targets for 2nd Class to enable the ODM to meet the spec on a technicality.

6 into 8 is the same as 3 into 4.

Mathematically, yes. Yet six bodies is more than three so they'll be digging far less of a hole for themselves.

The union are calling it “the USO” when talking about the changes so that’s why I’m calling it the USO

See their update

I dont get your last part

For every 8 duties 6 posties cover them is the same as 3 doing 4 walks and another 3 doing another 4 walks

It’s still six bodies covering 8 walks

People can’t be being serious with not understanding that 6/8 is exactly the same as 3/4.

IT IS EXACTLY THE SAME THING.

Might as well say 12/16 or 24/32 …….and so on.

It would just like out union to try and flog that.

[Cedar_Room]

Hull Malmo Road DO is being hailed on Robin App as a Pilot Success story.

Any insight into this?

Salsbury as well,wasn’t it? Gaffer,workplace coach & some youngster endorsing it over on the Robin app…can’t say they looked very happy though!

[Mr Rush]

People can’t be being serious with not understanding that 6/8 is exactly the same as 3/4.

IT IS EXACTLY THE SAME THING.

Might as well say 12/16 or 24/32 …….and so on.

It would just like out union to try and flog that.

It could also be expressed as 1.5:2. Why limit ourselves to integer numbers of staff?

[buchanpeter]

The union odm is actually 8 into 7.
Where during the summer it's 8 into 6.
That's the last thing they offered royal mail before the negotiations went silent for the talks.

[tramssirhc]

We all knew change was coming with the USO

I hate to harp on about this, but this is the hill I am going to die on.

The USO is not changing. Parliament hasn't changed the law and parliament is highly unlikely to change it for the forseeable future. The delivery specification remains a six day service. All that Ofcom (not parliament) changed was relaxing the targets for 2nd Class to enable the ODM to meet the spec on a technicality.

6 into 8 is the same as 3 into 4.

Mathematically, yes. Yet six bodies is more than three so they'll be digging far less of a hole for themselves.

The union are calling it “the USO” when talking about the changes so that’s why I’m calling it the USO

See their update

I dont get your last part

For every 8 duties 6 posties cover them is the same as 3 doing 4 walks and another 3 doing another 4 walks

It’s still six bodies covering 8 walks

People can’t be being serious with not understanding that 6/8 is exactly the same as 3/4.

IT IS EXACTLY THE SAME THING.

Might as well say 12/16 or 24/32 …….and so on.

It would just like out union to try and flog that.

Martin Walsh will tell you it's a 12.5% saving and the CWU are victorious.

[Acca Dacca]

We all knew change was coming with the USO

I hate to harp on about this, but this is the hill I am going to die on.

The USO is not changing. Parliament hasn't changed the law and parliament is highly unlikely to change it for the forseeable future. The delivery specification remains a six day service. All that Ofcom (not parliament) changed was relaxing the targets for 2nd Class to enable the ODM to meet the spec on a technicality.

6 into 8 is the same as 3 into 4.

Mathematically, yes. Yet six bodies is more than three so they'll be digging far less of a hole for themselves.

The union are calling it “the USO” when talking about the changes so that’s why I’m calling it the USO

See their update

I dont get your last part

For every 8 duties 6 posties cover them is the same as 3 doing 4 walks and another 3 doing another 4 walks

It’s still six bodies covering 8 walks

People can’t be being serious with not understanding that 6/8 is exactly the same as 3/4.

IT IS EXACTLY THE SAME THING.

Might as well say 12/16 or 24/32 …….and so on.

It would just like out union to try and flog that.

Martin Walsh will tell you it's a 12.5% saving and the CWU are victorious.

Well it’sd actually be half the number of walk losses compared to RMs plan

[tramssirhc]

We all knew change was coming with the USO

I hate to harp on about this, but this is the hill I am going to die on.

The USO is not changing. Parliament hasn't changed the law and parliament is highly unlikely to change it for the forseeable future. The delivery specification remains a six day service. All that Ofcom (not parliament) changed was relaxing the targets for 2nd Class to enable the ODM to meet the spec on a technicality.

6 into 8 is the same as 3 into 4.

Mathematically, yes. Yet six bodies is more than three so they'll be digging far less of a hole for themselves.

The union are calling it “the USO” when talking about the changes so that’s why I’m calling it the USO

See their update

I dont get your last part

For every 8 duties 6 posties cover them is the same as 3 doing 4 walks and another 3 doing another 4 walks

It’s still six bodies covering 8 walks

People can’t be being serious with not understanding that 6/8 is exactly the same as 3/4.

IT IS EXACTLY THE SAME THING.

Might as well say 12/16 or 24/32 …….and so on.

It would just like out union to try and flog that.

Martin Walsh will tell you it's a 12.5% saving and the CWU are victorious.

Well it’sd actually be half the number of walk losses compared to RMs plan

If won't. Its the same, just that the slices of cake got thinner.

[Acca Dacca]

We all knew change was coming with the USO

I hate to harp on about this, but this is the hill I am going to die on.

The USO is not changing. Parliament hasn't changed the law and parliament is highly unlikely to change it for the forseeable future. The delivery specification remains a six day service. All that Ofcom (not parliament) changed was relaxing the targets for 2nd Class to enable the ODM to meet the spec on a technicality.

6 into 8 is the same as 3 into 4.

Mathematically, yes. Yet six bodies is more than three so they'll be digging far less of a hole for themselves.

The union are calling it “the USO” when talking about the changes so that’s why I’m calling it the USO

See their update

I dont get your last part

For every 8 duties 6 posties cover them is the same as 3 doing 4 walks and another 3 doing another 4 walks

It’s still six bodies covering 8 walks

People can’t be being serious with not understanding that 6/8 is exactly the same as 3/4.

IT IS EXACTLY THE SAME THING.

Might as well say 12/16 or 24/32 …….and so on.

It would just like out union to try and flog that.

Martin Walsh will tell you it's a 12.5% saving and the CWU are victorious.

Well it’sd actually be half the number of walk losses compared to RMs plan

If won't. Its the same, just that the slices of cake got thinner.

No

It actually is

Removing 1 walk in 4 is double the number of walk losses as 1 in 8

[postslippete]

Hull Malmo Road DO is being hailed on Robin App as a Pilot Success story.

Any insight into this?

We need more information than just a Robin app promo video. For example, the outdoor spans, call rates, lapsing, sickness, DPR failures. And if some of those pilot offices were a "success" then what were the staffing levels, the traffic profile and overtime levels in those offices compared with a normal office?

Was the model only "working" because extra money, overtime and management attention were being thrown at those pilot offices?

Hmmmm

[Perseus]

Hull Malmo Road DO is being hailed on Robin App as a Pilot Success story.

Any insight into this?

We need more information than just a Robin app promo video. For example, the outdoor spans, call rates, lapsing, sickness, DPR failures. And if some of those pilot offices were a "success" then what were the staffing levels, the traffic profile and overtime levels in those offices compared with a normal office?

Was the model only "working" because extra money, overtime and management attention were being thrown at those pilot offices?

Hmmmm

I totally agree.
It stands to reason that with the huge differences from office to office across the country of all the parameters you mention that determined the chances of any ‘success’ of any type of ODM.
I doubt we will ever get a deep dive into the workings of it.

[ted_e_bear]

Hull Malmo Road DO is being hailed on Robin App as a Pilot Success story.

Any insight into this?

We need more information than just a Robin app promo video. For example, the outdoor spans, call rates, lapsing, sickness, DPR failures. And if some of those pilot offices were a "success" then what were the staffing levels, the traffic profile and overtime levels in those offices compared with a normal office?

Was the model only "working" because extra money, overtime and management attention were being thrown at those pilot offices?

Hmmmm

Yeah that would be interesting to know, it's a big office had 106 duties according to that network review spreadsheet from a couple of years ago