heat and sickeness

[Queeg500]

Yesterday the heat got to me, I ended up throwing up, I felt awful and still do today.

Reported it to manager, they ordered me to finish my tracked and come back to clean the van up, upon arriving back at base I was not asked how I was doing, I was immediately asked to explain what the parcels and mail in the york I unloaded where, then sent into the afternoon heat again to clean the van.

How do these people lose their basic decency and basic humanity?

If I'm off im on s2 so told im at risk of being fired (Im rarely ever off), plus I'll lose pay.

Work until you die I guess is the way RM want it.

[moonjaguar]

Put in a grievance against whoever made you go out again. If you feel worse today tell them it's because you were made to go out when feeling unwell. You should not get a stage warning for feeling unwell in the heat. The person who made you go back should lose their job. They have made someone who feels unwell in the heat go back into that heat. What if you had collapsed? Get your rep involved.

Managers have been told to work with the affected workforce and CWU Safety Reps in periods of
high temperatures and allow staff to make personal judgements throughout the day.
All workers should be advised to cover up, drink plenty of water, take breaks in the shade,
apply sunscreen - and return to the office if at any time they feel unwell due to the heat and
intense sunlight.

[tramssirhc]

Put in a grievance against whoever made you go out again. If you feel worse today tell them it's because you were made to go out when feeling unwell. You should not get a stage warning for feeling unwell in the heat. The person who made you go back should lose their job. They have made someone who feels unwell in the heat go back into that heat. What if you had collapsed? Get your rep involved.

Managers have been told to work with the affected workforce and CWU Safety Reps in periods of
high temperatures and allow staff to make personal judgements throughout the day.
All workers should be advised to cover up, drink plenty of water, take breaks in the shade,
apply sunscreen - and return to the office if at any time they feel unwell due to the heat and
intense sunlight.

Whereabouts in the joint statement is this wording?

[pinstripe]

Yesterday the heat got to me, I ended up throwing up, I felt awful and still do today.

Reported it to manager, they ordered me to finish my tracked and come back to clean the van up, upon arriving back at base I was not asked how I was doing, I was immediately asked to explain what the parcels and mail in the york I unloaded where, then sent into the afternoon heat again to clean the van.

How do these people lose their basic decency and basic humanity?

If I'm off im on s2 so told im at risk of being fired (Im rarely ever off), plus I'll lose pay.

Work until you die I guess is the way RM want it.

I had a similar incident yesterday, but the complete opposite experience. Driver drove me back, then went back out to do as much as he could in the remaining time, brought back some tracked which were passed onto the DPR drivers. Managers checked if I was ok, which I was once I got out of the sun. Even today they checked up on how I was when I started, before going on delivery and when I got back.

[nightcrawler]

Sorry to hear what happened, hope you’re doing better now. If I’ve learnt anything after 30+ years in the job, it’s that RM don't give a f***. You’re just a number to them. All they care about is getting tracked and specials done.

[Delbhoy]

Put in a grievance against whoever made you go out again. If you feel worse today tell them it's because you were made to go out when feeling unwell. You should not get a stage warning for feeling unwell in the heat. The person who made you go back should lose their job. They have made someone who feels unwell in the heat go back into that heat. What if you had collapsed? Get your rep involved.

Managers have been told to work with the affected workforce and CWU Safety Reps in periods of
high temperatures and allow staff to make personal judgements throughout the day.
All workers should be advised to cover up, drink plenty of water, take breaks in the shade,
apply sunscreen - and return to the office if at any time they feel unwell due to the heat and
intense sunlight.

Whereabouts in the joint statement is this wording?

we had a wtl and management said something similar

[postslippete]

Managers have been told to work with the affected workforce and CWU Safety Reps in periods of
high temperatures and allow staff to make personal judgements throughout the day.
All workers should be advised to cover up, drink plenty of water, take breaks in the shade,
apply sunscreen - and return to the office if at any time they feel unwell due to the heat and
intense sunlight.

Whereabouts in the joint statement is this wording?

Only thing I could find was this

https://www.cwu.org/wp-content/uploads/ ... idance.pdf

In particular this part here:


Personal Judgement – Dynamic Risk Assessment – Important Footnote in the new
Guidance:


 All staff significantly impacted by severe sun and heat during their shift have the right
to make personal judgements including, should it be necessary, suspending their
delivery, collection or duty, to an address, part of their duty, or the whole duty where
conditions deteriorate.
 Anyone feeling unwell should stop work and return to their unit/office/depot etc. A
manager should be contacted to confirm any change to duties and if
assistance/recovery is required.
It needs to be remembered that ‘Personal Judgement’ can be applied by staff at hot weather
temperatures below 35C/95F, in situations where individual outdoor workers feel that the sun
exposure and heat is too intense and as a result they feel fatigued, stressed or unwell or for
any other health condition which is made worse in the heat and sun, then individuals have the
right to make a dynamic risk assessment or personal judgement and choice, if they wish to cut
off the their duty and return to the Office. Staff do not have to wait until the 35C/95F is
reached or a Met Office Warning has been issued.

[roman]

At any stage in your working day if you feel unwell, be it because of the heat or otherwise you have the right to go home sick.obviously you have to tell your line manager the circumstances and that you won’t be able to carry on. Then it’s up to them as to how your delivery will be completed.

[roman]

At any stage in your working day if you feel unwell, be it because of the heat or otherwise you have the right to go home sick.obviously you have to tell your line manager the circumstances and that you won’t be able to carry on. Then it’s up to them as to how your delivery will be completed.

[tramssirhc]

Managers have been told to work with the affected workforce and CWU Safety Reps in periods of
high temperatures and allow staff to make personal judgements throughout the day.
All workers should be advised to cover up, drink plenty of water, take breaks in the shade,
apply sunscreen - and return to the office if at any time they feel unwell due to the heat and
intense sunlight.

Whereabouts in the joint statement is this wording?

Only thing I could find was this

https://www.cwu.org/wp-content/uploads/ ... idance.pdf

In particular this part here:


Personal Judgement – Dynamic Risk Assessment – Important Footnote in the new
Guidance:


 All staff significantly impacted by severe sun and heat during their shift have the right
to make personal judgements including, should it be necessary, suspending their
delivery, collection or duty, to an address, part of their duty, or the whole duty where
conditions deteriorate.
 Anyone feeling unwell should stop work and return to their unit/office/depot etc. A
manager should be contacted to confirm any change to duties and if
assistance/recovery is required.
It needs to be remembered that ‘Personal Judgement’ can be applied by staff at hot weather
temperatures below 35C/95F, in situations where individual outdoor workers feel that the sun
exposure and heat is too intense and as a result they feel fatigued, stressed or unwell or for
any other health condition which is made worse in the heat and sun, then individuals have the
right to make a dynamic risk assessment or personal judgement and choice, if they wish to cut
off the their duty and return to the Office. Staff do not have to wait until the 35C/95F is
reached or a Met Office Warning has been issued.

The 2026 agreement replaced that.

[Flashman_]

Disgraceful behaviour by your manager, given that you were showing clear signs of heat exhaustion, his priority was to ensure he looked after you and not put you at risk of Heat stroke, which is a medical emergency, and easily fatal.
He really should be sacked, please put in grievance against this clown.

[clashcityrocker]

Why, if you had been sick, would you go back out to do anything just because a manager told you to?

[IloveMYredTROLLEY!]

Unless things have changed since around '22, part day absenses don't count towards sickness procedure unless you are issued an official written letter to say otherwise, because managers think the number of part day absenses you have taken have become excessive.

[Wullie10]

I had a sudden attack of norovirus once. I just made it back to the yard and stated to vomit. The manager ( who was well known to like a few beers ) said i hope youre going to clean that up. I said, its not alcohol, im not bloody drunk ... what a idiot.