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LTB 210/23 - ROYAL MAIL NATIONAL ALLOWANCE REVIEW 2023

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LTB 210/23 - ROYAL MAIL NATIONAL ALLOWANCE REVIEW 2023

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https://www.cwu.org/ltb/ltb-210-23-roya ... view-2023/

LTB 210/23 – ROYAL MAIL NATIONAL ALLOWANCE REVIEW 2023
No. 210/23

16th August 2023

Dear Colleagues,

ROYAL MAIL NATIONAL ALLOWANCE REVIEW 2023

On the evening of 10th August it became apparent the deck of slides attached at appendix 1 entitled ‘National allowance review 2023’ were in circulation in the field. The nine slides in question outline an unagreed procedure for “managers to review allowances paid to employees” and also provides the detail of the various allowances to be reviewed. Additionally, pay protection and ‘common misconceptions around MtSF’ also feature in the content.

Branches and Representatives should be aware this presentation has not been shared with the Union and neither have we been asked for our input into the process.

As a result, I sent the correspondence attached at appendix 2 to the Chief People Officer on Friday 11th August to express concern about the manner in which this initiative had come to light and asked why the Union had not been approached, given the joint commitment to improving employee and industrial relations in the Business Recovery, Transformation and Growth agreement.

In the past once a review of allowances has been completed a number of overpayment cases have been identified by RM with this in turn resulting in numerous instances of members being told to repay money.

To be clear the overpayments recovery process is covered by the national joint statement and nationally agreed process for an overpayment discussion attached at appendices 3 and 4. This is the procedure that should be adopted when supporting members who receive correspondence relating to alleged overpayments and was originally circulated via LTB 360/15 in June 2015

I have requested an urgent meeting to discuss the national allowance review and hope the Company will see the merit of maintaining the previous joint approach in respect of this activity.

Further developments will be reported in due course.

Yours sincerely,

Andy Furey

A/Deputy General Secretary (Postal)

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It is becoming clear that despite the agreement Royal Mail do not recognise the Union.
I'm turning purple!
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Foxel wrote:
20 Aug 2023, 21:11
It is becoming clear that despite the agreement Royal Mail do not recognise the Union.
Absolutely correct, despite the union agreeing to degrade our t&cs they themselves are now being sidelined.
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cwu DEAD IN THE WATER !
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What is appendix 1/ the allowances we're talking about here?- when I try to download that file it wants me to open a free trial and enter card details which ain't happening.
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CRIBMAD wrote:
20 Aug 2023, 21:45
cwu DEAD IN THE WATER !
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Dexydog wrote:
20 Aug 2023, 22:27
What is appendix 1/ the allowances we're talking about here?- when I try to download that file it wants me to open a free trial and enter card details which ain't happening.
download/file.php?mode=view&id=15636

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Thanks for that. 👍
Not entirely surprising.
Let's be honest here, people are getting allowances they really shouldn't be.
Question being what does the pay agreement state around allowances?
Is it ambiguous in this area like the rest of it?
RM have certainly spent some time on the wording of that document so was it shown to union before agreement sealed or produced since?
Really can't keep up with what's what.
None of what's happening can be a surprise to anyone.
Personally I think the union is dead in the water and if you still want this job you need to auck up what's coming, do your hours, go home.
Forget how it was before, if you think £14 odd an hour is good enough then stay and do what you have to with the least amount of effort.
That's the future now like it or not.
I think the strike was a red herring in all of this and had no bearing on anything that's coming our way.
RM used it to their advantage though, that much is so obvious now with hindsight.
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Ward, Furey and Webb "WHERE ARE YOU"show your faces ,you lot are worse than those corrupted Tories.