Job Losses and the end of USO

[postiewhite]

When we are threatened with Job losses then how does this work? Our meeting last week suggested the worse case scenario RM and Rico wants to get rid of 20,000 jobs plus axe a Tuesday delivery (although im not sure if the latter is just talk or actually realistically a possibility). My questions are who would be the likely people threatened for job losses? Full timers? Last in first out? First in first out? Also if the worse case scenario came and we lost a Tuesday delivery then would the full timers be on 4 longer days or would this day be everyone's day off?

[DGH]

When we are threatened with Job losses then how does this work? Our meeting last week suggested the worse case scenario RM and Rico wants to get rid of 20,000 jobs plus axe a Tuesday delivery (although im not sure if the latter is just talk or actually realistically a possibility). My questions are who would be the likely people threatened for job losses? Full timers? Last in first out? First in first out? Also if the worse case scenario came and we lost a Tuesday delivery then would the full timers be on 4 longer days or would this day be everyone's day off?

They could take a number of approaches.

Skills based. Non-drivers made redundant. - A serious possibility in my view. Most non-drivers are pretty senior and so prime targets.
Compulsory. Last in, first out. - Unlikely because all these people are cheap in terms of pensions.
Voluntary. Seniority-based. Attractive to RM because the more senior folk are more expensive for them in terms of pension, holiday entitlement, etc. However the terms offered are likely to be seen as poor by most candidates, I expect.

If a day is dropped from general delivery - ie non packets/specials (BIG if . . . but not incredible) then I'd expect full timers would work 5/7. However I'd fully expect the working week to become over 7 days with Sundays and one other day being packets/specials only. However just as credible would be a Mon-Sat alternate day delivery system with Sunday being packets/specials only. Then you'd still have a rotating day off, which is something RM seem to like very much.

A longer working day is less credible as there will very likely be increasingly less work inside and increasing delivery spans to compensate will be problematic for a number of reasons, not least the fact that most staff would struggle to do a week of 6 hour plus delivery spans.

[SpacePhoenix]

A large chunk of what we send out to the local DOs as small packets are technically large letters

[Chelseablue]

If i was pt and no long in door id be keeping an eye out for something else just in case .

[Acca Dacca]

When we are threatened with Job losses then how does this work? Our meeting last week suggested the worse case scenario RM and Rico wants to get rid of 20,000 jobs plus axe a Tuesday delivery (although im not sure if the latter is just talk or actually realistically a possibility). My questions are who would be the likely people threatened for job losses? Full timers? Last in first out? First in first out? Also if the worse case scenario came and we lost a Tuesday delivery then would the full timers be on 4 longer days or would this day be everyone's day off?

They could take a number of approaches.

Skills based. Non-drivers made redundant. - A serious possibility in my view. Most non-drivers are pretty senior and so prime targets.
Compulsory. Last in, first out. - Unlikely because all these people are cheap in terms of pensions.
Voluntary. Seniority-based. Attractive to RM because the more senior folk are more expensive for them in terms of pension, holiday entitlement, etc. However the terms offered are likely to be seen as poor by most candidates, I expect.

If a day is dropped from general delivery - ie non packets/specials (BIG if . . . but not incredible) then I'd expect full timers would work 5/7. However I'd fully expect the working week to become over 7 days with Sundays and one other day being packets/specials only. However just as credible would be a Mon-Sat alternate day delivery system with Sunday being packets/specials only. Then you'd still have a rotating day off, which is something RM seem to like very much.

A longer working day is less credible as there will very likely be increasingly less work inside and increasing delivery spans to compensate will be problematic for a number of reasons, not least the fact that most staff would struggle to do a week of 6 hour plus delivery spans.

Making all the non drivers redundant would cost them an absolute fortune in redundancy packages

[postiewhite]

If i was pt and no long in door id be keeping an eye out for something else just in case .

I would've thought full time positions would be under great threat. All new positions advertised are now PT.

[seaside]

If most of Europe are only delivering 5 days a week, mon-fri . cant see us being kept at 6 days.

[Sugar]

They could take a number of approaches.

Skills based. Non-drivers made redundant. - A serious possibility in my view. Most non-drivers are pretty senior and so prime targets.
Compulsory. Last in, first out. - Unlikely because all these people are cheap in terms of pensions.
Voluntary. Seniority-based. Attractive to RM because the more senior folk are more expensive for them in terms of pension, holiday entitlement, etc. However the terms offered are likely to be seen as poor by most candidates, I expect.

If a day is dropped from general delivery - ie non packets/specials (BIG if . . . but not incredible) then I'd expect full timers would work 5/7. However I'd fully expect the working week to become over 7 days with Sundays and one other day being packets/specials only. However just as credible would be a Mon-Sat alternate day delivery system with Sunday being packets/specials only. Then you'd still have a rotating day off, which is something RM seem to like very much.

A longer working day is less credible as there will very likely be increasingly less work inside and increasing delivery spans to compensate will be problematic for a number of reasons, not least the fact that most staff would struggle to do a week of 6 hour plus delivery spans.

You've forgotten natural wastage of senior staff with retirement and only replacing on inferior contracts and disciplinary sackings.

A logical approach at present would be Monday - Friday letters/packets etc because firms would not be impressed with no letter mail on certain days during the week. With parcels, specials and tracked only deliveries on a Saturday and possibly Sunday's depending on the need for it if numbers continue to climb.

Either way going by past ideas this company has had I doubt what they come up with at the top will be anything like it eventually becomes at the bottom for frontline staff.

[chickenwittle]

They could take a number of approaches.

Skills based. Non-drivers made redundant. - A serious possibility in my view. Most non-drivers are pretty senior and so prime targets.
Compulsory. Last in, first out. - Unlikely because all these people are cheap in terms of pensions.
Voluntary. Seniority-based. Attractive to RM because the more senior folk are more expensive for them in terms of pension, holiday entitlement, etc. However the terms offered are likely to be seen as poor by most candidates, I expect.

If a day is dropped from general delivery - ie non packets/specials (BIG if . . . but not incredible) then I'd expect full timers would work 5/7. However I'd fully expect the working week to become over 7 days with Sundays and one other day being packets/specials only. However just as credible would be a Mon-Sat alternate day delivery system with Sunday being packets/specials only. Then you'd still have a rotating day off, which is something RM seem to like very much.

A longer working day is less credible as there will very likely be increasingly less work inside and increasing delivery spans to compensate will be problematic for a number of reasons, not least the fact that most staff would struggle to do a week of 6 hour plus delivery spans.

You've forgotten natural wastage of senior staff with retirement and only replacing on inferior contracts and disciplinary sackings.

A logical approach at present would be Monday - Friday letters/packets etc because firms would not be impressed with no letter mail on certain days during the week. With parcels, specials and tracked only deliveries on a Saturday and possibly Sunday's depending on the need for it if numbers continue to climb.

Either way going by past ideas this company has had I doubt what they come up with at the top will be anything like it eventually becomes at the bottom for frontline staff.

But would you trust the Cwu to be honest and tell us if the company were proposing mon/fri , I don’t as they know it would be popular with the workforce.

[leolion855]

The company and union work on a seniority basis for everything else so they cant really change to last in first out now it suits them.

[Postie45]

The company and union work on a seniority basis for everything else so they cant really change to last in first out now it suits them.

by this logic, then the senior people would remain in their jobs, i dont see a contradiction.

[mattjo1@talktalk.net]

The USO will go it has to.

We are not a service anymore and we must like so.

[Woody Guthrie]

The business 'believes' it can lose 5000 jobs a year through natural wastage which is about normal for a business this size.

This would give them their 20,000 without expensive redundancies or confrontation.

The problem with this plan is that you don't always lose them from the places you need to so I can see new starts and reserves being bounced about from unit to unit to balance the resourcing.

[Acca Dacca]

The company and union work on a seniority basis for everything else so they cant really change to last in first out now it suits them.

You never thought that through did you

[DGH]

The business 'believes' it can lose 5000 jobs a year through natural wastage which is about normal for a business this size.

This would give them their 20,000 without expensive redundancies or confrontation.

The problem with this plan is that you don't always lose them from the places you need to so I can see new starts and reserves being bounced about from unit to unit to balance the resourcing.

But in four years.

They'll want to shed 20 000 jobs well inside two years.

i should think Rico would like to transform the business beyond recognition within 5 years. That'll involve more than 20 000 jobs going (albeit some of that might be by a general reduction in hours achieved by, for instance, abolishing paid breaks). And it won't just be new starters and reserves being 'bounced around'. He's not like the other CEO's we've had.