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[menditsa]

Really not sure where youre coming from to be honest.

Have you actually seen the newspapers and news channels reactions to Reforms success last week? It certainly hasnt come across to me the way you describe.

Once again, so hard to have sensible chat on here when people insist on talking untruths. Yet i suppose from your viewpoint in your ecosystem what you are saying isnt an untruth.

As for why im surprised about the media and nation being on Starmers back ~ my point is that if the tories had done the exact same things, the media and thus the nations reaction would not be so harsh, at all.

Im not a Labour fan boy but im just pointing out the facts as i see them. Honestly look at reactions to things such as Lizz Truss’ budget vs Rachel Reeves. Its quite astonishing when you actually see these things. And its literally every thing that Labour do, is fed to us via this lense of negativity.

Firstly I don't read newspapers or watch TV. Not owned a TV in 15 years..

You try to demean me by instantly saying that I'm not sensible because I say untruth's. based on YOUR opinion

[Sean06]

Don,t read newspapers or watch tv how do get your day in.an how do you know allegedly whats going on in the world.

[menditsa]

Don,t read newspapers or watch tv how do get your day in.an how do you know allegedly whats going on in the world.

I search via non google for what I want, is that a problem for you ?
Or you trying to make a point ?
You are clearly trying to make a point I'm a liar.

[Rommagic]

We could hear next week.

[mjd24]

Really not sure where youre coming from to be honest.

Have you actually seen the newspapers and news channels reactions to Reforms success last week? It certainly hasnt come across to me the way you describe.

Once again, so hard to have sensible chat on here when people insist on talking untruths. Yet i suppose from your viewpoint in your ecosystem what you are saying isnt an untruth.

As for why im surprised about the media and nation being on Starmers back ~ my point is that if the tories had done the exact same things, the media and thus the nations reaction would not be so harsh, at all.

Im not a Labour fan boy but im just pointing out the facts as i see them. Honestly look at reactions to things such as Lizz Truss’ budget vs Rachel Reeves. Its quite astonishing when you actually see these things. And its literally every thing that Labour do, is fed to us via this lense of negativity.

Firstly I don't read newspapers or watch TV. Not owned a TV in 15 years..

You try to demean me by instantly saying that I'm not sensible because I say untruth's. based on YOUR opinion

Look im not trying to demean you. I understand how easy it is to slip into certain rabbit holes and be manipulated and end up believing things that are not true.

But there are certain things that are true or they are not. It is not about MY opinion. You cannot just say something is fact when it is demonstrably not, or vice versa.

[postmanpatscat2]

stop arguing ladies, you will get the thread shut down.

Happened to the poll I made asking if people thought the union had done a good job

[mjd24]

stop arguing ladies, you will get the thread shut down.

Happened to the poll I made asking if people thought the union had done a good job

no discussions on the forum, got it

[Seymour Buts]

Within 2 to 3 years our wage increases will be announced by the government when the minimum wage overtakes what we get paid!

Are you being flippant or is that correct? I was thinking this the other day. At the rate minimum wage is increasing verses our pay rises in recent years, it can't be too long before we're on minimum wage?

That's exactly what Labour supporters voted for.
It's probably not the sort of equality they wanted but that's what we're going to get.
It won't be long until they look at means testing the old age pension.
People who have saved for their retirement will probably lose their old age pension in the spirit of fairness, also Labour may deem it far right ot racist to have a private pension.
I have noticed that since the election my Labour colleagues never talk about politics nowadays.

To be fair though its quite hard being a Labour supporter trying to discuss politics when most print and news media is so right leaning.

Look at the any Daily Mail headline since Labour came in that references Labour/Starmer etc ~ they always frame it in a negative way. If the Tories had done the exact same thing the headlines would more often than not paint it in a positive light.

As for your comments re pensions and being deemed far right . . . To me you almost invalidate anything else you say with silly comments like that.

Elements of the print media are right wing, but nobody reads newspapers anymore anyway. What do you mean by the news media? Labour are in a mess because they told a pack of fibs to get elected. Growth growth growth, cheaper energy bills, smash the people smuglers, no rises in national insurance ect. All broken promises. People have had enough of this government because they're doing very unlabour type things. Did anybody vote Labour to see them strip benefits from old and disabled people? As the Tories found out with immigration and high taxes, if you keep upsetting your base by not offering them anything they'll turn. This is gonna be a one term government unless it sorts itself out.

[Walter sobchak]

Within 2 to 3 years our wage increases will be announced by the government when the minimum wage overtakes what we get paid!

Are you being flippant or is that correct? I was thinking this the other day. At the rate minimum wage is increasing verses our pay rises in recent years, it can't be too long before we're on minimum wage?

That's exactly what Labour supporters voted for.
It's probably not the sort of equality they wanted but that's what we're going to get.
It won't be long until they look at means testing the old age pension.
People who have saved for their retirement will probably lose their old age pension in the spirit of fairness, also Labour may deem it far right ot racist to have a private pension.
I have noticed that since the election my Labour colleagues never talk about politics nowadays.

To be fair though its quite hard being a Labour supporter trying to discuss politics when most print and news media is so right leaning.

Look at the any Daily Mail headline since Labour came in that references Labour/Starmer etc ~ they always frame it in a negative way. If the Tories had done the exact same thing the headlines would more often than not paint it in a positive light.

As for your comments re pensions and being deemed far right . . . To me you almost invalidate anything else you say with silly comments like that.

Elements of the print media are right wing, but nobody reads newspapers anymore anyway. What do you mean by the news media? Labour are in a mess because they told a pack of fibs to get elected. Growth growth growth, cheaper energy bills, smash the people smuglers, no rises in national insurance ect. All broken promises. People have had enough of this government because they're doing very unlabour type things. Did anybody vote Labour to see them strip benefits from old and disabled people? As the Tories found out with immigration and high taxes, if you keep upsetting your base by not offering them anything they'll turn. This is gonna be a one term government unless it sorts itself out.

Democracy and freedom of choice is an illusion in the western world these days but even more so in the UK as all the main establishment parties are all the same be it labour , tories and Lib Dems when it comes to major policies immigration, taxes, war and climate change etc.

Time will tell if reform are any different or are just more of the same controlled opposition.

[Seymour Buts]

Within 2 to 3 years our wage increases will be announced by the government when the minimum wage overtakes what we get paid!

Are you being flippant or is that correct? I was thinking this the other day. At the rate minimum wage is increasing verses our pay rises in recent years, it can't be too long before we're on minimum wage?

That's exactly what Labour supporters voted for.
It's probably not the sort of equality they wanted but that's what we're going to get.
It won't be long until they look at means testing the old age pension.
People who have saved for their retirement will probably lose their old age pension in the spirit of fairness, also Labour may deem it far right ot racist to have a private pension.
I have noticed that since the election my Labour colleagues never talk about politics nowadays.

To be fair though its quite hard being a Labour supporter trying to discuss politics when most print and news media is so right leaning.

Look at the any Daily Mail headline since Labour came in that references Labour/Starmer etc ~ they always frame it in a negative way. If the Tories had done the exact same thing the headlines would more often than not paint it in a positive light.

As for your comments re pensions and being deemed far right . . . To me you almost invalidate anything else you say with silly comments like that.

Elements of the print media are right wing, but nobody reads newspapers anymore anyway. What do you mean by the news media? Labour are in a mess because they told a pack of fibs to get elected. Growth growth growth, cheaper energy bills, smash the people smuglers, no rises in national insurance ect. All broken promises. People have had enough of this government because they're doing very unlabour type things. Did anybody vote Labour to see them strip benefits from old and disabled people? As the Tories found out with immigration and high taxes, if you keep upsetting your base by not offering them anything they'll turn. This is gonna be a one term government unless it sorts itself out.

Democracy and freedom of choice is an illusion in the western world these days but even more so in the UK as all the main establishment parties are all the same be it labour , tories and Lib Dems when it comes to major policies immigration, taxes, war and climate change etc.

Time will tell if reform are any different or are just more of the same controlled opposition.

Reform are just populists that'll tell everybody what they want to hear. Raising the minimum tax threshold to 20 grand? Brilliant, but that'll cost somewhere in the region of 50 billion quid. At a time everybody keeps demanding more money for everything, how does that work?

[milly]

Within 2 to 3 years our wage increases will be announced by the government when the minimum wage overtakes what we get paid!

Are you being flippant or is that correct? I was thinking this the other day. At the rate minimum wage is increasing verses our pay rises in recent years, it can't be too long before we're on minimum wage?

That's exactly what Labour supporters voted for.
It's probably not the sort of equality they wanted but that's what we're going to get.
It won't be long until they look at means testing the old age pension.
People who have saved for their retirement will probably lose their old age pension in the spirit of fairness, also Labour may deem it far right ot racist to have a private pension.
I have noticed that since the election my Labour colleagues never talk about politics nowadays.

To be fair though its quite hard being a Labour supporter trying to discuss politics when most print and news media is so right leaning.

Look at the any Daily Mail headline since Labour came in that references Labour/Starmer etc ~ they always frame it in a negative way. If the Tories had done the exact same thing the headlines would more often than not paint it in a positive light.

As for your comments re pensions and being deemed far right . . . To me you almost invalidate anything else you say with silly comments like that.

Elements of the print media are right wing, but nobody reads newspapers anymore anyway. What do you mean by the news media? Labour are in a mess because they told a pack of fibs to get elected. Growth growth growth, cheaper energy bills, smash the people smuglers, no rises in national insurance ect. All broken promises. People have had enough of this government because they're doing very unlabour type things. Did anybody vote Labour to see them strip benefits from old and disabled people? As the Tories found out with immigration and high taxes, if you keep upsetting your base by not offering them anything they'll turn. This is gonna be a one term government unless it sorts itself out.

Democracy and freedom of choice is an illusion in the western world these days but even more so in the UK as all the main establishment parties are all the same be it labour , tories and Lib Dems when it comes to major policies immigration, taxes, war and climate change etc.

Time will tell if reform are any different or are just more of the same controlled opposition.

Reform are just populists that'll tell everybody what they want to hear. Raising the minimum tax threshold to 20 grand? Brilliant, but that'll cost somewhere in the region of 50 billion quid. At a time everybody keeps demanding more money for everything, how does that work?

Yes, great idea, let's keep the income tax thresholds frozen so we can be taxed more and make work pay less than benefits.

[SpacePhoenix]

Lets face it, is any party from anywhere across the political spectrum actually electable?

[mjd24]

Within 2 to 3 years our wage increases will be announced by the government when the minimum wage overtakes what we get paid!

Are you being flippant or is that correct? I was thinking this the other day. At the rate minimum wage is increasing verses our pay rises in recent years, it can't be too long before we're on minimum wage?

That's exactly what Labour supporters voted for.
It's probably not the sort of equality they wanted but that's what we're going to get.
It won't be long until they look at means testing the old age pension.
People who have saved for their retirement will probably lose their old age pension in the spirit of fairness, also Labour may deem it far right ot racist to have a private pension.
I have noticed that since the election my Labour colleagues never talk about politics nowadays.

To be fair though its quite hard being a Labour supporter trying to discuss politics when most print and news media is so right leaning.

Look at the any Daily Mail headline since Labour came in that references Labour/Starmer etc ~ they always frame it in a negative way. If the Tories had done the exact same thing the headlines would more often than not paint it in a positive light.

As for your comments re pensions and being deemed far right . . . To me you almost invalidate anything else you say with silly comments like that.

Elements of the print media are right wing, but nobody reads newspapers anymore anyway. What do you mean by the news media? Labour are in a mess because they told a pack of fibs to get elected. Growth growth growth, cheaper energy bills, smash the people smuglers, no rises in national insurance ect. All broken promises. People have had enough of this government because they're doing very unlabour type things. Did anybody vote Labour to see them strip benefits from old and disabled people? As the Tories found out with immigration and high taxes, if you keep upsetting your base by not offering them anything they'll turn. This is gonna be a one term government unless it sorts itself out.

Mail, Express, Telegraph, Sun, Times ~ id say all right wing, or at least right leaning?


Guardian and Mirror left.

Newspapers still dictate most of what our radio and television phone in shows talk about, and what stories lead news bulletins etc

I agree with you about some of Labours broken promises and its clear they have made many mistakes.

But it is also true that the way Labours actions get reported to us is hugely biased.

Look at this weeks India and USA trade deals and the massive focus on ridiculous things like the NI payment thing?

Imagine if the Conservatives had delivered the EXACT same trade deals ~ the coverage would almost certainly have been incredibly positive. To me, that is very hard to argue with.

[Rommagic]

Let's hope back pay is 4 per cent or more.

[qwerty2]

Let's hope back pay is 4 per cent or more.