Why have no strike dates been announced

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Suggesting a week or even more laughably a month of strikes is beyond parody at this point. How much money do you need to lose? Already we have lost enough to make any potential pay-rise swallowed up by the time already spent on the picket line. Maybe if you don’t have a family to feed or a house to pay for you could do it, but the majority of posties don’t live with their parents so can’t afford this. This is all the while ignoring the fact that both the union and RM agree that future strikes will likely hasten the demise of the company. So, yeah losing money and ultimately your job sounds like not really the wisest of moves.

I sympathise that it will be genuinley difficult for some but the reality is, people just use that reason as an excuse not to strike, when they can afford so many take out meals, pub nights, holidays...of course they won't want to sacrifice that and that is entirely their choice and I respect that because that's just what we should be entitled to do, but dont make an excuse that you have a family to feed, only to blow a couple of grand on an all inclusive5 star "Luxury" holiday in Benidorm. And I don't understand how people could live so close to the edge anyway, living from pay cheque to pay cheque. Again, I sympathise for those with different circumstances but not so much those who just cream their money down the boozer. In the end, most people are responsible for their own financial hardships via poor choices they have made during their life or because they are terrible with money and not very smart

At this point in the dispute, no response is better than a weak response. A few days of strikes or one week solid would be seen as weak and it would signal the end of our resistance. A month solid however

There's only two options, wave the white flag, or its one month all out. I wish there was a silver lining, but there is no alternative and everyone knows it

You seem to be making wild generalisations here. Living paycheck to paycheck doesn’t mean you are necessarily bad with money. So many factors come into play that it is impossible to say, but I would stick my neck out and say that 99% of the people here could in no way lose a month’s pay right now. There would be next to no support for any such action called. There wouldn’t even be support for a week, because:

A) we have lost enough money already
B) There is no progress to show for this.

It would be a wild swing to think that dropping tools for a week would make the situation any better. We have union negotiators telling us it would ruin the company. It is not just RM complaining about the precarious state of the company’s finances at this stage.

I would say that 100% of people really don't want to lose a month's pay right now. But, how many of that percentage is actually struggling to the point where they are actually struggling? I mean really struggling I.e. no holidays, basic food supplies, no drinking...you know, living on the edge?

I remember on the news a few months ago, there was a report saying how people are "struggling", but they are not prepared to give up their 3 night a week deliveroo takeaways because that is their treat. Have you wondered why Deliveroo and JustEat, Umber Eat are surviving in these times when people should be cutting them out of their lives? It's because they do not want to and are prepared to live close to the edge so they can enjoy a deliveroo, or a nandos.

You would of expected companies like deliveroo to go bust as that is the first type of company that should really feel the effects of people cutting back because deliveroo is unnecessary. But it's human nature not to save, but to spend and enjoy the economy, to get overpriced Mercedes or Audi. Humans are spenders by nature

Why are you supporting strike action designed around an increased pay deal if just giving up a couple of takeaways would make everything ok? You really do sound completely removed from reality.

What is your solution? Please tell me what the options are?

This thread is massively off topic now so I’ll have to ask - solution to what? If you mean our dispute, I want the latest deal put to members for a vote.

I agree, members should vote on it. But if it is rejected, then what is the alternative? Basically, the two options are prolonged strikes verses accepting the deal

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Suggesting a week or even more laughably a month of strikes is beyond parody at this point. How much money do you need to lose? Already we have lost enough to make any potential pay-rise swallowed up by the time already spent on the picket line. Maybe if you don’t have a family to feed or a house to pay for you could do it, but the majority of posties don’t live with their parents so can’t afford this. This is all the while ignoring the fact that both the union and RM agree that future strikes will likely hasten the demise of the company. So, yeah losing money and ultimately your job sounds like not really the wisest of moves.

I sympathise that it will be genuinley difficult for some but the reality is, people just use that reason as an excuse not to strike, when they can afford so many take out meals, pub nights, holidays...of course they won't want to sacrifice that and that is entirely their choice and I respect that because that's just what we should be entitled to do, but dont make an excuse that you have a family to feed, only to blow a couple of grand on an all inclusive5 star "Luxury" holiday in Benidorm. And I don't understand how people could live so close to the edge anyway, living from pay cheque to pay cheque. Again, I sympathise for those with different circumstances but not so much those who just cream their money down the boozer. In the end, most people are responsible for their own financial hardships via poor choices they have made during their life or because they are terrible with money and not very smart

At this point in the dispute, no response is better than a weak response. A few days of strikes or one week solid would be seen as weak and it would signal the end of our resistance. A month solid however

There's only two options, wave the white flag, or its one month all out. I wish there was a silver lining, but there is no alternative and everyone knows it

You seem to be making wild generalisations here. Living paycheck to paycheck doesn’t mean you are necessarily bad with money. So many factors come into play that it is impossible to say, but I would stick my neck out and say that 99% of the people here could in no way lose a month’s pay right now. There would be next to no support for any such action called. There wouldn’t even be support for a week, because:

A) we have lost enough money already
B) There is no progress to show for this.

It would be a wild swing to think that dropping tools for a week would make the situation any better. We have union negotiators telling us it would ruin the company. It is not just RM complaining about the precarious state of the company’s finances at this stage.

I would say that 100% of people really don't want to lose a month's pay right now. But, how many of that percentage is actually struggling to the point where they are actually struggling? I mean really struggling I.e. no holidays, basic food supplies, no drinking...you know, living on the edge?

I remember on the news a few months ago, there was a report saying how people are "struggling", but they are not prepared to give up their 3 night a week deliveroo takeaways because that is their treat. Have you wondered why Deliveroo and JustEat, Umber Eat are surviving in these times when people should be cutting them out of their lives? It's because they do not want to and are prepared to live close to the edge so they can enjoy a deliveroo, or a nandos.

You would of expected companies like deliveroo to go bust as that is the first type of company that should really feel the effects of people cutting back because deliveroo is unnecessary. But it's human nature not to save, but to spend and enjoy the economy, to get overpriced Mercedes or Audi. Humans are spenders by nature

Jesus, you pretty much sound like the Tories on their crap about if you cut out the Gregg's you could afford a mortgage in a few years. I dunno what to tell you but redirect you on why this whole dispute started. It was not about the terms and conditions, it was about rewarding us for helping out the company during the pandemic in the form of a no strings attached deal.

The fact that it's now devolved into basically striking to the point of basically delaying them and crippling ourselves in the process with nothing to show for it means we lost this dispute a long time ago. Doesn't really make the wounds any better when Ward came on that stream and basically agreed with the seasonal hours and sick pay, major things we've been striking for. You honestly think they are going to change their minds now after airing that in the open?

People are on their ass after these strikes, you can tell by the way people are reacting on social media and some of the office, that is a fact. You might be better off compared to some, but think you will find quite oma number of them would close a picket line if it comes to more strikes.

A month's strike you are basically asking people to not pay their bills for a whole month, no way in hell anyone would be up for that. Not sure how old you are but know youngsters that are in house shares paying rent for £700+, have kids or just straight up joined cuz it was a decent paying job (and it still is compared to other unskilled jobs right now). They are the future of Royal Mail and what you are asking is going to cripple them.

I stopped reading after your first line...

Because I compared your ideals to the Tories? Because they are practically identical to what they would say. Instead of taking into account that some people aren't as well off, the younger generation especially, you have basically gone on the default on "well if you's didn't spend this much on that you'd be able to afford it". It's even broken down in a post before this one that young workers are now basically renting out on average more than half their wages and that's before paying for food and insurance. You think they are living above their means??? I'd honestly consider what's been said instead of choosing to ignore this and wanting to go on strike cuz it suits you fine. Solidarity, or so we say right at the union???? I seriously hope you are donating to the strike fund if you are this big on a month's strike.

Whatever suits you