The one! LTB 193/18 : Four Pillars Pay Arrangements & Back Pay

number one · Post by **number one** » 05 Apr 2018, 16:47

mightyowler wrote:This union really are, RM puppets.

If this drags on we should cancel union subs.

You are stupid if you think we would be better off without one.

TheTrolleyMan · Post by **TheTrolleyMan** » 05 Apr 2018, 16:56

I notice that RM have already changed the pension payments in our wages but still no wage rise or back pay ! Come on CWU what the feck are you doing ? RoyalMail are making mugs out of all of us !

ledge13 · Post by **ledge13** » 05 Apr 2018, 17:15

It's quite ironic . I'm meant to be better off in my wage but with new pension increase taken out im actually £10 worse off in my wage this week . You couldn't make it up

rubberbond · Post by **rubberbond** » 05 Apr 2018, 17:30

daveyeff wrote:Just heard a rumour from a rep... And i hope thats All it is.... He says the back money is being paid in 2 or 3 installments... Hope thats a load of B/S

It probably is true, hence the negotiation between the two parties. I voted No ,so I suppose I’m no worse off really, short term anyway! Long term doesn’t bear thinking about.

TheTrolleyMan · Post by **TheTrolleyMan** » 05 Apr 2018, 17:30

The back pay timetable should have been agreed before we voted , once again the CWU have been slapped down by RM , absolute disgrace

enskied · Post by **enskied** » 05 Apr 2018, 17:56

TheTrolleyMan wrote:I notice that RM have already changed the pension payments in our wages but still no wage rise or back pay ! Come on CWU what the feck are you doing ? RoyalMail are making mugs out of all of us !

No they are making mugs of the union executive. And so they should.

Piss up in a brewery !!!

yellowbelly · Post by **yellowbelly** » 05 Apr 2018, 18:40

Lincox wrote:Has there been any official statement from Royal Mail that they have actually accepted the result of the vote?
After all only 51% voted and 9% of those voted no. Hardly an endorsement for a lasting agreement.

Why do RM have to accept (or decline) the result? They (along with CWU) proposed the agreement.

And I would imagine that the % of eligible voters required to vote (to accept or reject an agreement) to validate a vote is totally different
from the % enshrined in law for voting for IA. It's probably in the CWU rule book but I've no idea what the % is and whether
it's just a simple majority regardless of numbers voting.

hans solo · Post by **hans solo** » 05 Apr 2018, 19:14

maybe we should have a ballot for industrial action

we may even get 95% ha f***ing ha

gosickwithstress · Post by **gosickwithstress** » 05 Apr 2018, 19:19

Its not Back Pay, Its Pay Back, Minus - 5% out of your wages next week.

Did you not understand that

!!! Read the small print

Post by **britwrit** » 05 Apr 2018, 19:25

fishtank wrote:Sitting on the cusp of our pay, watching the tears roll away....

Yet one more example about why this otherwise wonderful board needs a Like button.

Post by **Lincox** » 05 Apr 2018, 19:53

yellowbelly wrote:
Lincox wrote:Has there been any official statement from Royal Mail that they have actually accepted the result of the vote?
After all only 51% voted and 9% of those voted no. Hardly an endorsement for a lasting agreement.
Why do RM have to accept (or decline) the result? They (along with CWU) proposed the agreement.

And I would imagine that the % of eligible voters required to vote (to accept or reject an agreement) to validate a vote is totally different
from the % enshrined in law for voting for IA. It's probably in the CWU rule book but I've no idea what the % is and whether
it's just a simple majority regardless of numbers voting.

The Union had the right to pull out of the agreement if the membership had offered up a no vote. Royal Mail as an equal partner in this agreement also have the right to pull out of the agreement if they also consider that there is insufficient support within the workforce as a whole including those who remain outside of the union in order for the agreement to work.

redneck · Post by **redneck** » 05 Apr 2018, 20:16

ebbzie wrote:Hope we dont get it for months. That will teach the money grabbers who only voted yes for a few pieces of silver

Wholly agree with that. The whole 'deal' has been a tragic farce since the strike action vote.

JKSmudge · Post by **JKSmudge** » 05 Apr 2018, 20:24

redneck wrote:
ebbzie wrote:Hope we dont get it for months. That will teach the money grabbers who only voted yes for a few pieces of silver
Wholly agree with that. The whole 'deal' has been a tragic farce since the strike action vote.

I almost agree with you - in fact it has been a farce since early last summer when the union constantly delayed balloting for strike action... with a strike ballot last July, who knows ? - we might have actually achieved 'something special'

sean38 · Post by **sean38** » 05 Apr 2018, 21:34

[quote="LouBarlow"]Keep on winning union. Can’t even get Royal Mail to pay what is owed us. Unbelievable incompetence.[/quote]
Not being funny this bunch of clowns are just rubbing salt into the wounds ,They have had long enough to sort this problem out it should be just a matter of pushing a button disgusting CHEATS.

mr hil. · Post by **mr hil.** » 05 Apr 2018, 21:56

I do not believe all the negativity being expressed here. A company this size with the complexity that goes with the way the overtime is paid ( a week in arrears) is probably taking an extra week to ensure that the payments go through smoothly and without errors( I remember post on here saying that there would be a trial run to iron out any gliches), especially as we have had double bank holiday weeks and the financial year end in the mix too. The LTB was an attempt to let everyone know that the union are being kept in the loop as regards the planning of when and how to pay the arrears.

It is not as simple as hitting a button marked "add 5%". For example in the first qualifying week there will be payments for the previous week's overtime that would not qualify for the 5% increase. Also is our pension contributions a percentage of our pay, I think it is, so does that mean we will all have to pay extra pension contributions from October last year , and with PSE that would mean a whole new calculation to be made too. To do this for a dozen employees would be hard enough but for thousands I know I would not like to do it.

Why don't we all wait to find out when the plan is to pay the arrears before we all slate the company and the union like some have been doing.