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poll The Pathway to Change agreement

Latest news, comm's, LTB'S, and discussion on 'The pathway to change'.

do you support the pathway to change agreement

YES
181
44%
NO
154
38%
I DON'T KNOW
72
18%
 
Total votes: 407

TheTrolleyMan
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Re: poll The Pathway to Change agreement

Post by TheTrolleyMan »

2yearpostie wrote:
28 Dec 2020, 17:27
just read the letters thread, got to admit the 5 hr delivery span is a concern, some of us only work 5hrs a day so when is the break taken if this comes in, not to mention the travel to and from delivery point 1.
Including travel out / back ours is usually 6+ hrs
worktotime
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Post by worktotime »

2yearpostie wrote:
28 Dec 2020, 17:27
just read the letters thread, got to admit the 5 hr delivery span is a concern, some of us only work 5hrs a day so when is the break taken if this comes in, not to mention the travel to and from delivery point 1.
we do more than 5 hrs on delivery now without any travel or breaks , easy 6+ everyday :left: , so does that mean we work for free to finish ?
TheTrolleyMan
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Re: poll The Pathway to Change agreement

Post by TheTrolleyMan »

worktotime wrote:
28 Dec 2020, 17:45
2yearpostie wrote:
28 Dec 2020, 17:27
just read the letters thread, got to admit the 5 hr delivery span is a concern, some of us only work 5hrs a day so when is the break taken if this comes in, not to mention the travel to and from delivery point 1.
we do more than 5 hrs on delivery now without any travel or breaks , easy 6+ everyday :left: , so does that mean we work for free to finish ?
Have you considered not taking a meal break ? Also maybe starting an hour or so early for free ?
worktotime
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Re: poll The Pathway to Change agreement

Post by worktotime »

TheTrolleyMan wrote:
28 Dec 2020, 18:23
worktotime wrote:
28 Dec 2020, 17:45
2yearpostie wrote:
28 Dec 2020, 17:27
just read the letters thread, got to admit the 5 hr delivery span is a concern, some of us only work 5hrs a day so when is the break taken if this comes in, not to mention the travel to and from delivery point 1.
we do more than 5 hrs on delivery now without any travel or breaks , easy 6+ everyday :left: , so does that mean we work for free to finish ?
Have you considered not taking a meal break ? Also maybe starting an hour or so early for free ?
nahh ive got a brain and im not working for a charity , but thanks for the offer mate :thumbup
blacov
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Post by blacov »

worktotime wrote:
28 Dec 2020, 17:45
2yearpostie wrote:
28 Dec 2020, 17:27
just read the letters thread, got to admit the 5 hr delivery span is a concern, some of us only work 5hrs a day so when is the break taken if this comes in, not to mention the travel to and from delivery point 1.
we do more than 5 hrs on delivery now without any travel or breaks , easy 6+ everyday :left: , so does that mean we work for free to finish ?
The way I see these changes SWW + longer delivery spans etc = more overtime = more money. Unless someone likes working for free then he should be concerned because he will be working more for free. If Royal mail returned to faffing about paying excess overtime etc we would witness some spectacular fails. Unless they will find an army of charity workers.
postslippete
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Post by postslippete »

blacov wrote:
29 Dec 2020, 16:44

The way I see these changes SWW + longer delivery spans etc = more overtime = more money. Unless someone likes working for free then he should be concerned because he will be working more for free. If Royal mail returned to faffing about paying excess overtime etc we would witness some spectacular fails. Unless they will find an army of charity workers.

This is the way I see it. Unless we walk in the office to find all the parcels and letters have all been sorted and arranged for us in the back of the van ready to go I don't see how they can make a longer duty span and a SWW actually work. Do they know that a lot of these clowns I work with actually work for free by coming in early unpaid as well??
On the face of it, shareholder value is the dumbest idea in the world.
blacov
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Re: poll The Pathway to Change agreement

Post by blacov »

postslippete wrote:
29 Dec 2020, 17:41
blacov wrote:
29 Dec 2020, 16:44

The way I see these changes SWW + longer delivery spans etc = more overtime = more money. Unless someone likes working for free then he should be concerned because he will be working more for free. If Royal mail returned to faffing about paying excess overtime etc we would witness some spectacular fails. Unless they will find an army of charity workers.

This is the way I see it. Unless we walk in the office to find all the parcels and letters have all been sorted and arranged for us in the back of the van ready to go I don't see how they can make a longer duty span and a SWW actually work. Do they know that a lot of these clowns I work with actually work for free by coming in early unpaid as well??
Well these working for free actually play into our hands. I mean those who doesn't matter going over and like to do overtime. They give a false illusion that job is easily achievable and more often than not can be completed before contracted time. Then come those who will not turn up half an hour early and will actually take their break and all of sudden they have to claim an hour or more and management will either pay or face failure of a walk.
Chelseablue
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Post by Chelseablue »

All the competition workforce would come to royal mail in a heartbeat Yamr ? Different jobs pal , walking posty is a hell of a lot more physical , my skeleton is now crumbling with years of pounding the street .
mags999
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Post by mags999 »

good luck to those doing 5+ hour deliveries for 30 to 40 years unless there a perfect specimen glad its not me got 3 or 4 years max left in me if my
knees hold out will have done nearly 40 years on delivery by then not sure where health and safety concerns have gone by the wayside by the look of it what is the unions stance on this 4 hours 30 was there max at one time obviously couldnt give a shitt now :arrrghhh
Cucumber
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Post by Cucumber »

If we get a revision then I would be astonished. In fact, I'd go as far to say it won't happen. We were screaming out for one of those 'touch revisions' to get us help with the covid situation, but it got vetoed.