Let's get to the nitty gritty

[norfolk nelly]

he loves his job, im not about to make him change! i'm merely trying to point out that seemingly most posties are NOT on low wages, and there are many other people who are, but dont complain.

[mandelsons_toenail]

he loves his job, im not about to make him change! i'm merely trying to point out that seemingly most posties are NOT on low wages, and there are many other people who are, but dont complain.

but we are NOT complaining about wages

are you not getting this yet or have i missed something?????


jesus :mfo

[mandelsons_toenail]

he loves his job, im not about to make him change! i'm merely trying to point out that seemingly most posties are NOT on low wages, and there are many other people who are, but dont complain.

i said get another job if he doesnt like the pay

but you said he loves his job - that wasnt my point


erm im on about pay??

is it so difficult for you???

[norfolk nelly]

you say its not about money, yet moan about being low paid. I still maintain that given the right pay deal, the majority of you would go back to work.

my husband doesnt want another job. the pay is irrellevant to him (thought more would be nice, obviously) and he would never strike because he values the welfare of the pigs too much. to him, his job isnt about pay, it isnt about his arsehole bosses (and yes they are. posties arent the only ones with unfair bosses), it is about looking after his animals to the best of his ability. shame the CWU workers dont feel the same about their customers! To you, we deserve to be looked after less than pigs! gee, thanks!

[Bazman]

Soooo, basically your husband is more interested in the welfare of the pigs than his own family? Gotcha

[luddite123]

how much to postal workers actually earn??

despite the cwu's whinging and striking I am sure if the RM bosses weren't getting big fat salaries, and the posties earned more, these strikes wouldnt be happening.

So, what do you (postal workers) earn and how much (do you think) is a fair wage??

Immaterial as we are not asking for a pay rise. Anyway my take home pay for a 40hr week is £230.

Obviously a touchy subject here
This may help your understanding with regards to pay
From the Telegraph.co.uk By Harry Wallop, Consumer Affairs Editor Published: 7:00AM BST 15 Oct 2009
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Quote
"The basic starting salary of a postman delivering the mail on foot is £16,268, but after a year the average worker earns about £18,200.
This is below the national average wage of £22,813, (I think that is the more accurate median average) but the pay of postal workers varies significantly. Rural postmen earn far less than, say, lorry drivers, who work throughout the night trucking post to delivery centres around the country. Average earnings - which include allowances and an average of around six hours overtime a week - are around £23,000 nationally and about £28,000 in inner London."
End quote

The bottom line is, that being a street postman is an unskilled manual job requiring no qualifications.
Surprise, surprise guys, you are therefore getting below the national average wage, it's the skilled people who get that.
Bet you wish you'd sorted out those qualifications when you had the chance, eh?
For the record, (before you ask)I earned about £36,000 last year (before tax) as an employed carpenter.

[kwikpost]

And i can't believe how low paid we really are!!!

Breakdown
In £338.57 (40 hr) and £12.37
Out: Pension and CWU £20.04
Tax and NI - £89.68

i wouldn't bother to get out of bed for what some posties are earning around the country. i didn't realise just how low paid the job is outside of london

[bitchface]

you got to love that luddite
he earnt 36000 last year as an employed carpenter.
well us tradesmen down here must be getting the thin egde of the stick again.
we get 11 pounds an hour self employed...you must be special..all that training you had when you say you worked for royal mail.

now if i earned that much ,you wouldnt catch me for s**t on this web site day in day out.id be sat at home with my feet up thinking how jolly lucky i am that some idiots paying me to srew wood together.let alone researching your posts..doesnt really add up does it.

[mandelsons_toenail]

The bottom line is, that being a street postman is an unskilled manual job requiring no qualifications.
Surprise, surprise guys, you are therefore getting below the national average wage, it's the skilled people who get that.
Bet you wish you'd sorted out those qualifications when you had the chance, eh?
For the record, (before you ask)I earned about £36,000 last year (before tax) as an employed carpenter.

I have qualifications

GCSE 's
BTEC National diplomas
HND's
etc etc

Passed everything to join the RAF, but decided against it

so what?? Im a postie, should I be ashamed of myself?

[bitchface]

check out the tv times this week?
x winner of university challaenge is a postie..but you smarter than him ,right?
personally a qualified welder/fabricator
part qualified electrical instilation
qualified pat tester
and very competent property maintenace

any one can and are carpenters,it is the trade needing the least amount of skill
we had several carpenters on the books at my last job,maintenance child care homes.and every one of them was next to useless.yet they got paid more than me for actually having a piece of paper.shame then that us snaggers had to follow them about,putting thing right.but thats by the by.


none of these jobs got me anywhere near 36,000 a year
none would of, without an obcene amount of overtime.
the only things it gave me were redundancy over and over,which is why im now a postie.i thought it had job security...i was wrong

well least the article got the 50 stamps right

yet your not doing overtime.your on here at all hours of the day..strange

[bitchface]

oh forgot to mention.im part time as they donot take on full time any more so i get a fraction of the pay, holiday entitlement.bonuses,no overtime rate..on and on....oh even less stamps.but even im not striking for more pay.just the legal minimum of equal treatment

[luddite123]

check out the tv times this week?
x winner of university challaenge is a postie..but you smarter than him ,right?
personally a qualified welder/fabricator
part qualified electrical instilation
qualified pat tester

and very competent property maintenace

any one can and are carpenters,it is the trade needing the least amount of skill
we had several carpenters on the books at my last job,maintenance child care homes.and every one of them was next to useless.yet they got paid more than me for actually having a piece of paper.shame then that us snaggers had to follow them about,putting thing right.but thats by the by.


none of these jobs got me anywhere near 36,000 a year
none would of, without an obcene amount of overtime.
the only things it gave me were redundancy over and over,which is why im now a postie.i thought it had job security...i was wrong

well least the article got the 50 stamps right

yet your not doing overtime.your on here at all hours of the day..strange

Again believe what you will.............
I'm working nights at the moment from 5.00 pm till 1 or 2 am, I'm on £16 per hour, I get that for days, nights, weekends, bank holidays whenever I'm needed, and I get paid that much because I am good at what I do. I do work long hours at times (all at flat rate) and some days I have no work, so get no pay.

I work when and where my boss asks, but I guess if the RM paid you £16 an hour you would probably do the same.

My point is simply that delivering the post door to door is unskilled work, as such it will allways be at the lower end of the pay scale.
RM are going to change your jobs and I doubt they will pay you any more money to do that, as they say, you are already paid 25% more than the competition.
At the moment the talks don't seem to be getting far, this could all go on for some time yet.
The opinion of most of the people I talk to is that you are all shooting yourselves in the feet.

[bitchface]

Again believe what you will.............
I'm working nights at the moment from 5.00 pm till 1 or 2 am, I'm on £16 per hour, I get that for days, nights, weekends, bank holidays whenever I'm needed, and I get paid that much because I am good at what I do. I do work long hours at times (all at flat rate) and some days I have no work, so get no pay.

I work when and where my boss asks, but I guess if the RM paid you £16 an hour you would probably do the same.

My point is simply that delivering the post door to door is unskilled work, as such it will allways be at the lower end of the pay scale.
RM are going to change your jobs and I doubt they will pay you any more money to do that, as they say, you are already paid 25% more than the competition.
At the moment the talks don't seem to be getting far, this could all go on for some time yet.
The opinion of most of the people I talk to is that you are all shooting yourselves in the feet.

for 16 pound an hour ,of coarse i would bend over backwards for royal mail,as you say.but they expect me to bend over now for half that and as a part timer they expect me to do endless overtime at there wim .if you say you dont want to,thankyou very much.you are threatened with the loss of your job .can you really not see where i am coming from?
if you employer said hes been looking around and carpenters like you only get 11 pound an hour so thats what you get from now on ,how would you feel about that.would you say,"yeah great i thought i was overpaid".

i think you said that you did the job for a while.but you keep saying its unskilled work,are you sure.it may not need qualification but it isnt entirly unskilled.
we are all required to have a full driving liecence.if you loose it you risk being sacked.that is a skill they pay us for.we dont just sort and deliver mail.we are customer support,direction givers,first aiders,health and safty and many many more.the mantra that you could train monkeys to do it show the very lack of intelagence as said monkeys.you must actually think about it first,question yourself

you mention that they say we are 25% over paid.yes thats what the guy that just earned 5 million last year said..the highest paid public servant in the country if not in the western world.do you think gordon browns going to go to him and say"look ive been checking and your overpaid by 4.5 million".

but he isnt comparing like for like
they dont need that driving liecence to earn their living.
deliverers just come in and deliver
sorter just sort
drivers just drive
and managers just finger each others arses.well some things cross national barriers

[concerned]

Luddite
Just so you know, my postmand is an ex investment banker. He took early retirement and started working for RM and says its probably the hardest job he has done. But he finds interacting with the public is a reward and also likes the hours. But im guessing the fact he was an Investment Banker all his life until his 50s now means he's unskilled - oui?
PRAT

[luddite123]

Luddite
Just so you know, my postmand is an ex investment banker. He took early retirement and started working for RM and says its probably the hardest job he has done. But he finds interacting with the public is a reward and also likes the hours. But im guessing the fact he was an Investment Banker all his life until his 50s now means he's unskilled - oui?
PRAT

Once again you miss the point, it's the JOB that's unskilled not the workers