Why some posties might be voting YES

[raXor]

Company will blsme union,union will say nembers voted it in

Sad times

Indeed. Unfortunately, the union and management are in cahoots with each other. It's all rigged and the actual votes and outcome means absolutely nothing.

Explain how its rigged?

It's not the actual vote that is rigged, it's what happens as a result regardless. The union and RM both have their asses covered. It's the staff who will get the blame when everything falls to bits.

[Perseus]

Well I've cast my vote and don't mind sharing my reasons for voting no.

Firstly, I can understand the concept of what they are trying to do with changing the inefficient way of delivering second class mail only on days when it doesn't need to be. Our office has like many others been flipping from one side of a duty to the other for years now when asked to do so. The duties, mostly, aren't crazily big (4.5-5hr delivery span) and no day off cover often happens.
I disagree with how the CWU wants every office to just work it out for themselves, we have had zero information on the proposals from the CWU.
Many duties WILL need assistance, most of don't expect it to arrive in the form of singletons who are doing 50/50, that is simply delusional. When that assistance doesn't materialise, then it will just become the next due days problem, like it is now. Mon-Fri, 3 people doing 4 walks of tracked, 1C then whatever else you can manage. It might get caught up on overtime, it might not.
Hell, I might have been on board with all that above, as it's very similar to what currently happens.

It's the Saturdays.

The one and only shining light in this new way and no one can explain it. To the point that I don't think it will ever work and we will sign up for a new way and then revert back to a Saturday off once in a blue moon.
Offices will have about half the staff in, due to new shift patterns and annual leave, work a shorter day, but expected to clear the place of all tracked, parcels and 1C. About 70% of your daily office volume, with 50% staff.

[norris9]

I am not voting as I honestly can't be bothered to work out in my head if it will 'work' or not....

Whether it works or not also depends on....

-Who I am working with.

-What rounds I am working on - our managers are incapable of making rounds even and different rounds take longer to deliver parcels too as some roads cannot be parked on, some rounds are off busy major roads with traffic lights, some aren't.

-Didn't they say more rounds would be added into offices...I don't know how many new rounds are getting added to our office.

So how the heck am I supposed to come to a conclusion on this.


+ I cannot trust the CWU's opinion that this works.... didn't the CWU dude involved in the trials say he thought posties did 6,000 steps a day.... how can I trust he knows what he's doing when he's so far out with that number.

[RuralVan]

Ballot paper not even arrived yet. When does this close?

[Rommagic]

29th may.

[postslippete]

The DM26 relies on 10,500 rurals and firms moving to the 50/50 heavy & light pattern with the capacity to support the 4 into 3 structure, so who decides which singleton/firm or rural duty genuinely has the spare capacity? Is that support built into the duty or just help out if you have time?

Like someone said, there are posties on singleton duties who have absolutely no inclination or intention to do any other round but their own. And let's be honest - no one in the pod of 3 who are expected to cover 4 duties on a daily basis really wants to do any other round but their own. So does any failed workload stay with the paired duties the next day? Who enforces fairness if the COMs avoid moving established staff?

The agreement is full of words like "support", "assist" and "flexibility" but unless those words become enforceable workload rules, it will always be the same people who end up carrying the pressure. And my gut feeling is that the paired duties will fail, mail rolls over and the same people end up carrying the backlog.

And how will Saturday's work on a shorter attendance pattern with fewer staff? The CWU seems to be giving us assurances that it will work but have they done their homework on this because the workload that has been removed is not necessarily the workload that is causing the pressure. The most time consuming element on deliveries imho are parcels, oversized parcels, doorstep time, van loading, traffic/parking delays and customer interactions. And I haven't even added 1c letters to the mix. Just delivering ALL the 2c mail on a Saturday doesn't really take that long if you've only got a tray, perhaps a tray and half of mail. So if the difficult part of the job is delivering all the Tracked rather than letters then how does reducing 2c letters suddenly make Saturdays more manageable with fewer people?

[Perseus]

The DM26 relies on 10,500 rurals and firms moving to the 50/50 heavy & light pattern with the capacity to support the 4 into 3 structure, so who decides which singleton/firm or rural duty genuinely has the spare capacity? Is that support built into the duty or just help out if you have time?

Like someone said, there are posties on singleton duties who have absolutely no inclination or intention to do any other round but their own. And let's be honest - no one in the pod of 3 who are expected to cover 4 duties on a daily basis really wants to do any other round but their own. So does any failed workload stay with the paired duties the next day? Who enforces fairness if the COMs avoid moving established staff?

The agreement is full of words like "support", "assist" and "flexibility" but unless those words become enforceable workload rules, it will always be the same people who end up carrying the pressure. And my gut feeling is that the paired duties will fail, mail rolls over and the same people end up carrying the backlog.

And how will Saturday's work on a shorter attendance pattern with fewer staff? The CWU seems to be giving us assurances that it will work but have they done their homework on this because the workload that has been removed is not necessarily the workload that is causing the pressure. The most time consuming element on deliveries imho are parcels, oversized parcels, doorstep time, van loading, traffic/parking delays and customer interactions. And I haven't even added 1c letters to the mix. Just delivering ALL the 2c mail on a Saturday doesn't really take that long if you've only got a tray, perhaps a tray and half of mail. So if the difficult part of the job is delivering all the Tracked rather than letters then how does reducing 2c letters suddenly make Saturdays more manageable with fewer people?

Totally agree. It's as if they are trying to reset the whole way that offices operate. There are 'norms' in offices that have been bedded in over 20-30-40 years, and the work will again flow down to the paired duties, especially once 1 of the 3 in a 'pod' go sick.

The Saturday bit as well, it seems to have gained traction that we will ONLY be doing 1C letters, packets and tracked, but that is around 70-80% of the work/time on a duty, look how little gets left at a shared van frame when tracked, parcels and 1C are extracted - a couple of trays not full?
And not 1, but 2 duties on a Saturday, in a shorter day, with half the staff.

[darkgable]

I wonder what happens on a saturday . When you have lots of walks that have been failing all week. through sickness , Being to big , Maybe a Bulk posting . Postmen/women dragging there feet . Maybe even a heavy week of door to doors . There will be many reason for failures. I cant see people making up door to doors or getting extra saturdays off . I Bet you will be asked to go out with deliveries that have been failing all week to catch up for the monday . So second class mail will still be getiing deliverd 6 days a week

[hazzeem025]

What happens if it's a no vote? Does it just get brought in regardless? Or do R.M say f**k you to the CWU and bring in their own version of the s**t sandwich? I'm literally beyond caring. 2 s**t sandwiches, one slightly less s**t than the other? Anyway f**k it. Start time and finish time.

[Perseus]

I wonder what happens on a saturday . When you have lots of walks that have been failing all week. through sickness , Being to big , Maybe a Bulk posting . Postmen/women dragging there feet . Maybe even a heavy week of door to doors . There will be many reason for failures. I cant see people making up door to doors or getting extra saturdays off . I Bet you will be asked to go out with deliveries that have been failing all week to catch up for the monday . So second class mail will still be getiing deliverd 6 days a week

Staff working indoors on a Saturday prepping door to doors and Mondays mail was a cobbled together solution to the CWU and RM declaring that 1 person would be going out in a van doing 2 walks of parcels and 1C in the original ODM. Staff that don't drive questioned what they would be doing and were told indoor work. When they realised that numbers of non driving staff vary from office to office they said they might have to go 2 in a van in some places. I've not read anything about what will happen with DM26 with relation to Saturdays and how it's supposed to work with less staff.
To be honest I don't think they are going to make people do previously failed mail on a Saturday over the freshly arrived 1C letters and tracked etc. There will be more than enough work to get done - those failures would move onto the next mail day the following week.

[A2B]

It's a problem for RM & the CWU to worry about, fed up with being told we must do more or the company will fail, you can only lie to people a certain amount of times before they stop listening

[TopperGas]

What happens if it's a no vote? Does it just get brought in regardless? Or do R.M say f**k you to the CWU and bring in their own version of the s**t sandwich? I'm literally beyond caring. 2 s**t sandwiches, one slightly less s**t than the other? Anyway f**k it. Start time and finish time.

That's the big unknown neither the union nor RM have answered, at least when we've voted on a pay rise etc in the past we knew that if we voted "no" then it would be likely we'd have to take IA in order to try and get a better deal, but that's not something we're going to consider doing for the USO reforms.

Personally I feel the company will say they've waited long enough and are now bringing in DM26 by EA if we vote "no".

[SpacePhoenix]

I wonder what happens on a saturday . When you have lots of walks that have been failing all week. through sickness , Being to big , Maybe a Bulk posting . Postmen/women dragging there feet . Maybe even a heavy week of door to doors . There will be many reason for failures. I cant see people making up door to doors or getting extra saturdays off . I Bet you will be asked to go out with deliveries that have been failing all week to catch up for the monday . So second class mail will still be getiing deliverd 6 days a week

A lot will depend on RM's final choice about what to do with any 2C or DSA mech that would hit the time limit for the service used on a Friday night and would normally be released on a Friday night (along with any other 2C or DSA for the same DPs that have got other mail being released) for Saturday delivery.

[darkgable]

What happens if it's a no vote? Does it just get brought in regardless? Or do R.M say f**k you to the CWU and bring in their own version of the s**t sandwich? I'm literally beyond caring. 2 s**t sandwiches, one slightly less s**t than the other? Anyway f**k it. Start time and finish time.

IF its a no vote ! I have Herd people talking about the original ODM or this version being brought in via Executive action. I personaly cant see it . Royal mail is already under huge pressure From the Goverment and the public, for the terrible Quality of Service they have been providing nationwide. To bring this in Via executive action.would in my opinion be total madness and make things 1000 times worse .

[TopperGas]

What happens if it's a no vote? Does it just get brought in regardless? Or do R.M say f**k you to the CWU and bring in their own version of the s**t sandwich? I'm literally beyond caring. 2 s**t sandwiches, one slightly less s**t than the other? Anyway f**k it. Start time and finish time.

IF its a no vote ! I have Herd people talking about the original ODM or this version being brought in via Executive action. I personaly cant see it . Royal mail is already under huge pressure From the Goverment and the public, for the terrible Quality of Service they have been providing nationwide. To bring this in Via executive action.would in my opinion be total madness and make things 1000 times worse .

What's the other solution for RM if they want to drop 2c daily deliveries and the union are backing DM26?