It's not "that" bad is it?
An MC porter will walk around 14-20 miles per shift & never without a full york in their hands (we've monitored and recorded this, the average is 14 miles)
others will still walk a significant distance during a shift.
Weather and being exposed to the elements will certainly be an issue though! all those fasionable hairdoo's and perm's getting messed up!
Haha, are you being serious?
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Hopefully all the F/T MC staff for the cut get used to 2 hours of frantic sorting followed by 5.30 hours of frantically delivering missorted letters/parcels on the street. Best of luck
Hmm redeployment mentioned! Sounds like the unlucky one’s will need their walking shoes,when they go to deliveries. Good luck you’ll notice a difference between M/C’s & D/O’s
They wouldn't want any of us in deliveries, they want people on the new contracts. Once they've got a big enough % of people in deliveries on the new contracts, I wouldn't put it past RM to force all the remaining people in deliveries onto the new contracts
It honestly wouldn't surprise me if RM forced all supernumeraries into the D.O's just to get rid of most of them.
Let's face it, how many M.C. staff are getting paid more than legacy contract D.O. staff? Probably most of them tbh, and a massive percentage of them are going to leave as soon as they realise how bad the walks are.
The redundancy brief posted on the previous page says a reduction of 1300 full time equivalent posts in MC's, it states that 700 of these are the existing supernumeraries.
If you are a supernumerary then YOU WILL be shipping out of your MC very shortly, you can try all the "childcare" / "carer" / "taking your dog to the psychiatrist" / "tribunal" ruses you like,
your work coach at the Redeployment Centre will make sure any attempts to anchor in the MC will fail.
Special Measures can be accomodated on Deliveries too, they will make sure of it for a little while to get the suplus labour out of the MC's.
It is pleasing to know that the Redeployment pool is being run by outside contractors, who will have great experience in dealing with resistance.
I guess you are a junior staff member at a MC and want senior people boshed out on to walks to stop you from having to do so. As for me I certainly earn more than DO staff but then I should do as I work Nights unless you think people finishing at 2 pm should earn the same as people starting at 10 pm and have been given 1 opportunity/meeting where the only duty I was offered contained a Sunday day rotate 5/6 whilst people with less than half my seniority have "flowed" through onto Monday to Fridays whilst there has never been an actual resign at my Office
This should have happened months ago but has been stalled by more useless "meetings" & now the situation has become critical.
No business can survive hanging onto a large amount of surplus labour, they made the decision to refuse picking a duty and now they need to move to where the work is.
Hmm redeployment mentioned! Sounds like the unlucky one’s will need their walking shoes,when they go to deliveries. Good luck you’ll notice a difference between M/C’s & D/O’s
They wouldn't want any of us in deliveries, they want people on the new contracts. Once they've got a big enough % of people in deliveries on the new contracts, I wouldn't put it past RM to force all the remaining people in deliveries onto the new contracts
It honestly wouldn't surprise me if RM forced all supernumeraries into the D.O's just to get rid of most of them.
Let's face it, how many M.C. staff are getting paid more than legacy contract D.O. staff? Probably most of them tbh, and a massive percentage of them are going to leave as soon as they realise how bad the walks are.
The redundancy brief posted on the previous page says a reduction of 1300 full time equivalent posts in MC's, it states that 700 of these are the existing supernumeraries.
If you are a supernumerary then YOU WILL be shipping out of your MC very shortly, you can try all the "childcare" / "carer" / "taking your dog to the psychiatrist" / "tribunal" ruses you like,
your work coach at the Redeployment Centre will make sure any attempts to anchor in the MC will fail.
Special Measures can be accomodated on Deliveries too, they will make sure of it for a little while to get the suplus labour out of the MC's.
It is pleasing to know that the Redeployment pool is being run by outside contractors, who will have great experience in dealing with resistance.
I guess you are a junior staff member at a MC and want senior people boshed out on to walks to stop you from having to do so. As for me I certainly earn more than DO staff but then I should do as I work Nights unless you think people finishing at 2 pm should earn the same as people starting at 10 pm and have been given 1 opportunity/meeting where the only duty I was offered contained a Sunday day rotate 5/6 whilst people with less than half my seniority have "flowed" through onto Monday to Fridays whilst there has never been an actual resign at my Office
This should have happened months ago but has been stalled by more useless "meetings" & now the situation has become critical.
No business can survive hanging onto a large amount of surplus labour, they made the decision to refuse picking a duty and now they need to move to where the work is.
We never had a resign either, they got away with it because it was a “Realignment” a full resign would have had all the top senoirity people snatching up all the prime duties etc
Yes well im “fairly” junior but not bottom of the pile i sit about middle’ish on seniority now that alot of the VR’s have gone.
I didnt get a flowthrough and was forced to take a shift pattern that i didnt really want.
So…….i dont see why those who refused to pick should get to stay if they are surplus to requirements.
The bottom line is businesses are being run on the side & second jobs are being worked, and that is the real reason a significant majority refused to change duties / shift patterns.
I appreciate the situation is not the same in all MC's.
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We've got staff who are supernumerary yet we probably have an equal amount if not more of casuals EVERY SHIFT so how can we have staff as supernumerary when they can just get rid of the casuals?
We've got staff who are supernumerary yet we probably have an equal amount if not more of casuals EVERY SHIFT so how can we have staff as supernumerary when they can just get rid of the casuals?
They can send the casuals home part way through a shift and they are “as and when required” unlike staff who are guaranteed to be there for 37hrs whether there is work or not.
So…..moving staff to other shifts / sites where they can fulfil their duty hours is probably legal as nobody is being made redundant and there is a clause in the contract that says you can be asked to work at other sites etc.
If you get bumped out to a DO do you have any real legal recourse to say………”hey what about casuals in at my old site?”
I guess that will be tested.
AFAIK you cannot refill a redundant post with a temporary or agency worker for 1 year (poss 2) thats the law, but its a grey area if you relocate staff to another unit as they are still employed.
Question
Can I make permanent employees redundant while I have agency staff carrying out similar roles?
Answer
If you make permanent employees redundant while retaining agency staff in your business to carry out the same or similar work, it raises the question of whether or not the redundancies are genuine or necessary.
You will need to demonstrate that you require fewer people to carry out this type of work, and this could be difficult if you continue to use agency workers.
If you can demonstrate that the agency workers are only used in specific circumstances, perhaps where there is a limited requirement for certain work to be carried out short-term and that your permanent employees are not required in those roles as part of the long-term plans for the business, you could justify redundancies on that basis.
Why are so many Mail Centre collegues here scared of being re-aligned onto Deliveries?
You all applied for a job at Royal Mail, you also all work for the same company.
The way half of posters on this forum talk, you'd think RM were doing you a favour transferring you M.C staff over to the D.O's?
2 reasons for me first being the start times being a non driver there is no way of me getting to any Delivery Office for 5 30 and the second being a football fan working 5 out of 6 Saturdays will make my Season Ticket null and void. Then throw in being a Non Driver most DOM wouldn't want me as there is no way I can be put on the Sunday Deliveries
Why are so many Mail Centre collegues here scared of being re-aligned onto Deliveries?
You all applied for a job at Royal Mail, you also all work for the same company.
The way half of posters on this forum talk, you'd think RM were doing you a favour transferring you M.C staff over to the D.O's?
I applied to work for Royal Mail 37 years ago and have done since. If I wanted to work on deliveries I would of made that move years ago. And anyone who works on deliveries will tell you its a young persons game. Which I am not.
Why are so many Mail Centre collegues here scared of being re-aligned onto Deliveries?
You all applied for a job at Royal Mail, you also all work for the same company.
The way half of posters on this forum talk, you'd think RM were doing you a favour transferring you M.C staff over to the D.O's?
Because its the hardest and most physically demanding job in the business,who get hammered everyday with bullying and harassment rife.
Question
Can I make permanent employees redundant while I have agency staff carrying out similar roles?
Answer
If you make permanent employees redundant while retaining agency staff in your business to carry out the same or similar work, it raises the question of whether or not the redundancies are genuine or necessary.
You will need to demonstrate that you require fewer people to carry out this type of work, and this could be difficult if you continue to use agency workers.
If you can demonstrate that the agency workers are only used in specific circumstances, perhaps where there is a limited requirement for certain work to be carried out short-term and that your permanent employees are not required in those roles as part of the long-term plans for the business, you could justify redundancies on that basis.
Question
Can I make permanent employees redundant while I have agency staff carrying out similar roles?
Answer
If you make permanent employees redundant while retaining agency staff in your business to carry out the same or similar work, it raises the question of whether or not the redundancies are genuine or necessary.
You will need to demonstrate that you require fewer people to carry out this type of work, and this could be difficult if you continue to use agency workers.
If you can demonstrate that the agency workers are only used in specific circumstances, perhaps where there is a limited requirement for certain work to be carried out short-term and that your permanent employees are not required in those roles as part of the long-term plans for the business, you could justify redundancies on that basis.
Question
Can I make permanent employees redundant while I have agency staff carrying out similar roles?
Answer
If you make permanent employees redundant while retaining agency staff in your business to carry out the same or similar work, it raises the question of whether or not the redundancies are genuine or necessary.
You will need to demonstrate that you require fewer people to carry out this type of work, and this could be difficult if you continue to use agency workers.
If you can demonstrate that the agency workers are only used in specific circumstances, perhaps where there is a limited requirement for certain work to be carried out short-term and that your permanent employees are not required in those roles as part of the long-term plans for the business, you could justify redundancies on that basis.
