How are you voting - Update

[X_hamster]

Vote YES to all your managers getting £900 buck shee on top of all the other bonuses for shafting the workplace.

[toonshola]

Can’t wait to get my ballot and tick no at the end of this week. Deep down I feel a yes will win due to the cynical bribe the CWU has found at the 11th hour but at least in a years time when this job and our conditions are in complete ruin I can say to myself “at least I didn’t back this s**t”. That’s all I’ve got left now, how bloody depressing all this is.

[thefox]

I dont like to give the cwu any credit for selling us out big time but they postponed the ballot because it was going to be a massive no vote and have worked out a bribe to get there yes vote they played a blinder sadly i cant wait to get out of this union they are finished

About the only time in this dispute they have played a blinder the useless c***s

[Duesouth]

If you look at past agreements over the past couple of decades they are never in our best interests but the companies and shareholders. Our terms and conditions have changed along with the business having to adapt to change with our competitors always being one step ahead. I don't mind change, but with the rate of change that's happened over the past six months I think we deserve better.

I've looked at this agreement about 10x and i can't get my head around why you would change the sick attendance, especially in the sort of job we do physically and mentally draining every day in all weathers hot or cold. Yes the 1% take the p*** but it shouldn't mean penalise us all. VR's along with IHR packages are now reduced to pretty much nothing. Later starts is a biggy for half the staff that I work with in the office, mainly parents and grandparents at my office are going to have to seek alternative employment if RM say 'No sorry you can't pick up your child from school, you'll have to stay till half 4 like the rest of us'. So much for family friendly.

Sometimes it's not all about the money and trying to strike a balance of work and having a life.

[LouBarlow]

Vote YES to all your managers getting £900 buck shee on top of all the other bonuses for shafting the workplace.

Yeah probably best you don’t decide how to vote based on how it affects your manager.

[LancePercival]

Can’t wait to get my ballot and tick no at the end of this week. Deep down I feel a yes will win due to the cynical bribe the CWU has found at the 11th hour but at least in a years time when this job and our conditions are in complete ruin I can say to myself “at least I didn’t back this s**t”. That’s all I’ve got left now, how bloody depressing all this is.

Excatly how I feel, plus when they close all small offices and make them move to parcel hubs, I can hold my head up and say I had nothing to do with it

[mailcom]

I'm voting no and if im gonna get s**t on least I won't of agreed to it

[Boltonian-White]

Most people I know are voting yes.

Sick of the dispute. Take the lump sum and look for something else.

Dragged on long enough.

Through the last 20 years whenever there's a dispute the terms and conditions have been eroded.

No way around it, that's the way the business is going. If you've been in long enough then you'll have witnessed it. Good times are over

You obviously don’t have many friends or know that many people then

Ohhhh, cutting. I’ll just assume you’re a f***ing moron.

[guardianangel]

They're gunna push through the changes regardless of the vote

They cant push the seasonal hours without change of contract they are banking on a yes vote for collective bargaining where the majority agrees to the change,legally they have to pay you for the hours worked not in 8 months time,it would be brave for them to push forward without the yes vote because they would be in breach of contract,the union are not telling you this because they dont want the hassle of what happens next,i urge everyone to think hard on voting yes as once you do your signing all your rights away the CWU wont tell you this.

Are you sure I bet they could if they are losing money especially.

Legally they cant as long as you vote NO, vote yes and collective bargaining comes into play and you lose any right to breach of contract,its imperative if you don't want seasonal hours you have to vote NO.

[rubberbond]

If the 1% or so we are led to believe, are “taking the piss”, then one has to question why they have not been or are not being dealt with , yet more management failures, so let’s not deal with the “piss takers “, let’s punish everyone. Sounds about right.
I rarely go sick , because it’s just a hassle, but if I do I have the comfort of knowing I will be paid ,or least I did up until this point.

[richietns]

If a corporation is losing money year on year I think all that legality of contracts stuff gets thrown out the window that's what Thompson did,and it scared the union,and were forecast to lose more in the future.

[LouBarlow]

They're gunna push through the changes regardless of the vote

They cant push the seasonal hours without change of contract they are banking on a yes vote for collective bargaining where the majority agrees to the change,legally they have to pay you for the hours worked not in 8 months time,it would be brave for them to push forward without the yes vote because they would be in breach of contract,the union are not telling you this because they dont want the hassle of what happens next,i urge everyone to think hard on voting yes as once you do your signing all your rights away the CWU wont tell you this.

Are you sure I bet they could if they are losing money especially.

Legally they cant as long as you vote NO, vote yes and collective bargaining comes into play and you lose any right to breach of contract,its imperative if you don't want seasonal hours you have to vote NO.

There will be no need for seasonal hours if you vote no as Royal Mail will then revert back to their original plan of moving start times by 3 hours, which was successfully reduced to just one hour by the union. You are voting against a one hour change and for a 3 hour one. And it is perfectly legal and adhering to your contract.

[zz666]

It's all hypothetical what royal mail will do in the event of a no vote. Do you have a crystal ball.

[richietns]

It's all hypothetical what royal mail will do in the event of a no vote. Do you have a crystal ball.

I don't think it is that hypothetical if a company is losing money it has to make drastic decisions on top of that it's going down hill anyway,I just don't think they will say ok a no vote right we won't change a thing you can carry on like the good old days.

[guardianangel]

They're gunna push through the changes regardless of the vote

They cant push the seasonal hours without change of contract they are banking on a yes vote for collective bargaining where the majority agrees to the change,legally they have to pay you for the hours worked not in 8 months time,it would be brave for them to push forward without the yes vote because they would be in breach of contract,the union are not telling you this because they dont want the hassle of what happens next,i urge everyone to think hard on voting yes as once you do your signing all your rights away the CWU wont tell you this.

Are you sure I bet they could if they are losing money especially.

Legally they cant as long as you vote NO, vote yes and collective bargaining comes into play and you lose any right to breach of contract,its imperative if you don't want seasonal hours you have to vote NO.

There will be no need for seasonal hours if you vote no as Royal Mail will then revert back to their original plan of moving start times by 3 hours, which was successfully reduced to just one hour by the union. You are voting against a one hour change and for a 3 hour one. And it is perfectly legal and adhering to your contract.

You don't really believe that do you,within 3 years it will be 3 hours anyway but they will use seasonal and flexi to move you nearer that anyway ,its just a way of giving it all away and slowly downgrading our working conditions its been going on since privatisation with the help of the CWU,hopefully posties have woken up to this,their is no pluses for a yes vote,don't forget the yes vote allows them finally to use your pda actual's against you,counselling then conduct making it easier to get rid of you,and longer on a stage after sick another way of getting rid of people and pressure on the vulnerable,longer outdoor work plus cutting indoor work,its your right to vote how you wish,hopefully some posties will start to see the whole picture not just the £ signs,a yes vote and anyone of us could be gone at anytime.