The job is better now

[tramssirhc]

Honestly, I don’t see why people complain about the job. In my opinion it’s set up to benefit posties now. We can literally do what we can do within our time, bring back whatever mail we can’t get done and nobody says a word. As long as premium products/collections are completed, we can fail as much mail as we need to. We can even go out and not post a single non-1st class letter if parcel volumes are high. I think it’s great and there’s absolutely no pressure anymore like there was during days we had to clear frames. Why would anyone want this back again? It’s not possible anymore anyway. I couldn’t give a toss if letters sit in frames to next year. Not our problem. Sorry, but anyone that gets upset and stressed out needs to catch themselves on. The only people putting pressure on you are yourselves. Start on your time and finish on your time and nobody can say a word. Stop coming in early like a clown and you will be better off. The only thing I want is more money per hour.

Your experience is not the experience of every worker. It is certainly not the experience of workers in the trial offices. What you describe will not continue under the new delivery method. If you are able to do what you describe good luck to you. Its not collectivism and it's not a true reflection of most workers reality. Individualism is why we are where we are now. The CWU have just agreed a deal thats going to demand everything goes when it's supposed to. The chaos will not continue,

[thefox]

You got details of the deal trams?

[Pfrizzy10]

Honestly, I don’t see why people complain about the job. In my opinion it’s set up to benefit posties now. We can literally do what we can do within our time, bring back whatever mail we can’t get done and nobody says a word. As long as premium products/collections are completed, we can fail as much mail as we need to. We can even go out and not post a single non-1st class letter if parcel volumes are high. I think it’s great and there’s absolutely no pressure anymore like there was during days we had to clear frames. Why would anyone want this back again? It’s not possible anymore anyway. I couldn’t give a toss if letters sit in frames to next year. Not our problem. Sorry, but anyone that gets upset and stressed out needs to catch themselves on. The only people putting pressure on you are yourselves. Start on your time and finish on your time and nobody can say a word. Stop coming in early like a clown and you will be better off. The only thing I want is more money per hour.

Your experience is not the experience of every worker. It is certainly not the experience of workers in the trial offices. What you describe will not continue under the new delivery method. If you are able to do what you describe good luck to you. Its not collectivism and it's not a true reflection of most workers reality. Individualism is why we are where we are now. The CWU have just agreed a deal thats going to demand everything goes when it's supposed to. The chaos will not continue,

Whether you like it or not, finishing on time will remain and therefore mail will continue to sit in frames. The CWU isn’t worth the £3 per month you pay. Parcels will continue to take priority no matter what deal they agree.

[tramssirhc]

You got details of the deal trams?

There's a blanket ban until the full time release mob have been told.

[tramssirhc]

Honestly, I don’t see why people complain about the job. In my opinion it’s set up to benefit posties now. We can literally do what we can do within our time, bring back whatever mail we can’t get done and nobody says a word. As long as premium products/collections are completed, we can fail as much mail as we need to. We can even go out and not post a single non-1st class letter if parcel volumes are high. I think it’s great and there’s absolutely no pressure anymore like there was during days we had to clear frames. Why would anyone want this back again? It’s not possible anymore anyway. I couldn’t give a toss if letters sit in frames to next year. Not our problem. Sorry, but anyone that gets upset and stressed out needs to catch themselves on. The only people putting pressure on you are yourselves. Start on your time and finish on your time and nobody can say a word. Stop coming in early like a clown and you will be better off. The only thing I want is more money per hour.

Your experience is not the experience of every worker. It is certainly not the experience of workers in the trial offices. What you describe will not continue under the new delivery method. If you are able to do what you describe good luck to you. Its not collectivism and it's not a true reflection of most workers reality. Individualism is why we are where we are now. The CWU have just agreed a deal thats going to demand everything goes when it's supposed to. The chaos will not continue,

Whether you like it or not, finishing on time will remain and therefore mail will continue to sit in frames. The CWU isn’t worth the £3 per month you pay. Parcels will continue to take priority no matter what deal they agree.

That's not how the trials worked and it won't be how the agreed delivery method will work. Contracts of employment have overtime clauses in them and it is a reasonable request to enforce the contract. If you can do what you want then good luck to you.

[Pfrizzy10]

Honestly, I don’t see why people complain about the job. In my opinion it’s set up to benefit posties now. We can literally do what we can do within our time, bring back whatever mail we can’t get done and nobody says a word. As long as premium products/collections are completed, we can fail as much mail as we need to. We can even go out and not post a single non-1st class letter if parcel volumes are high. I think it’s great and there’s absolutely no pressure anymore like there was during days we had to clear frames. Why would anyone want this back again? It’s not possible anymore anyway. I couldn’t give a toss if letters sit in frames to next year. Not our problem. Sorry, but anyone that gets upset and stressed out needs to catch themselves on. The only people putting pressure on you are yourselves. Start on your time and finish on your time and nobody can say a word. Stop coming in early like a clown and you will be better off. The only thing I want is more money per hour.

Your experience is not the experience of every worker. It is certainly not the experience of workers in the trial offices. What you describe will not continue under the new delivery method. If you are able to do what you describe good luck to you. Its not collectivism and it's not a true reflection of most workers reality. Individualism is why we are where we are now. The CWU have just agreed a deal thats going to demand everything goes when it's supposed to. The chaos will not continue,

Whether you like it or not, finishing on time will remain and therefore mail will continue to sit in frames. The CWU isn’t worth the £3 per month you pay. Parcels will continue to take priority no matter what deal they agree.

That's not how the trials worked and it won't be how the agreed delivery method will work. Contracts of employment have overtime clauses in them and it is a reasonable request to enforce the contract. If you can do what you want then good luck to you.

You can’t be forced to work overtime. They tried it before with me/others and failed. Doing what you can do within your time will remain and that will mean failing mail, and not one feck will I give.
Not to mention that Royal Mail will go against the deal eventually anyway

[tramssirhc]

Honestly, I don’t see why people complain about the job. In my opinion it’s set up to benefit posties now. We can literally do what we can do within our time, bring back whatever mail we can’t get done and nobody says a word. As long as premium products/collections are completed, we can fail as much mail as we need to. We can even go out and not post a single non-1st class letter if parcel volumes are high. I think it’s great and there’s absolutely no pressure anymore like there was during days we had to clear frames. Why would anyone want this back again? It’s not possible anymore anyway. I couldn’t give a toss if letters sit in frames to next year. Not our problem. Sorry, but anyone that gets upset and stressed out needs to catch themselves on. The only people putting pressure on you are yourselves. Start on your time and finish on your time and nobody can say a word. Stop coming in early like a clown and you will be better off. The only thing I want is more money per hour.

Your experience is not the experience of every worker. It is certainly not the experience of workers in the trial offices. What you describe will not continue under the new delivery method. If you are able to do what you describe good luck to you. Its not collectivism and it's not a true reflection of most workers reality. Individualism is why we are where we are now. The CWU have just agreed a deal thats going to demand everything goes when it's supposed to. The chaos will not continue,

Whether you like it or not, finishing on time will remain and therefore mail will continue to sit in frames. The CWU isn’t worth the £3 per month you pay. Parcels will continue to take priority no matter what deal they agree.

That's not how the trials worked and it won't be how the agreed delivery method will work. Contracts of employment have overtime clauses in them and it is a reasonable request to enforce the contract. If you can do what you want then good luck to you.

You can’t be forced to work overtime. They tried it before with me/others and failed. Doing what you can do within your time will remain and that will mean failing mail, and not one feck will I give.
Not to mention that Royal Mail will go against the deal eventually anyway

Organised and notified overtime can be enforced. Contracts of employments are explicit. Due to the nature of the work it is a reasonable expectation for overtime to be worked. It has to be organised (resource meetings) and notified (rotas). If an employer chooses not to enforce it that is their choice.

[Hitbox]

as a former postie- all I ever keep hearing is how Bad the current state of the office is.....

You can tell you've started whilst 2 in a van existed, before 2 in a van and 1 person to 1 single fitting - the job was The best then....

The difference now compared to then is back then you Had Pride- you felt a sense of being part of the community, but also you was reliable because the workflow was great. even as close to 2015 to 2018

Nowadays , the workflow has been destroyed by GeoRoute and Cherry Picking tracked items, the amount of extra faffing around the fitting you've gotta do just to bundle is time wasting. The old school posties already know the difference in the workload.

When they did do GeoRoute, they designed it that badly it's counterproductive to the point of it makes no sense and never took into account the volume of parcels would increase by, i used to tally up every week for 6 weeks upon how many parcels would get per side, the difference is huge throughout the whole week- But managers didn't care, CWU didn't care and ultimately higher operations management didn't care either.....

So when you say" it's better now"- it's FAR from the service it ever was and Never will be the Best service in the UK until attitudes and workflow changes for the better.....

Plus the same old story of listen to your employees still exists where NO ONE has a mm of common sense to listen to the people who works the streets everyday and make it better, instead you have managers on tablets/laptops quoting numbers and thinking that they can sort IPS with 2.3 of people.....

Computers are designed for mathematic equations, not for staffing a royal mail delivery office.....

[Thommo44]

It’s not difficult to rotate it during the week though. Most should be able to do one or two rows of their frames each day and deliver their D2Ds. They have no grounds to sack anyone working their contracted hours (unless they are taking the piss or doing something majorly incorrect)

Is one or two rows enough? What about the duties that are failing twice each and every single week? We have some heavy town based duties like that with days, if not weeks worth of mail in trays stacked up like the leaning tower of pisa, and boxes upon boxes of D2Ds under the frame. The people working these duties are struggling really badly right now and no help is coming.

When you have 200+ premium items and 50 first class letters, collections then getting a single loop delivered is impossible. Add to that the two days you or your partner are not covered on their rest days and a shorter Saturday, everything is piling up. Short term the only answer would be to throw people and hours at the job, they seem happier to let it pile up.
They can’t recruit, no one wants it so they don’t dismiss

[ted_e_bear]

It’s not difficult to rotate it during the week though. Most should be able to do one or two rows of their frames each day and deliver their D2Ds. They have no grounds to sack anyone working their contracted hours (unless they are taking the piss or doing something majorly incorrect)

Is one or two rows enough? What about the duties that are failing twice each and every single week? We have some heavy town based duties like that with days, if not weeks worth of mail in trays stacked up like the leaning tower of pisa, and boxes upon boxes of D2Ds under the frame. The people working these duties are struggling really badly right now and no help is coming.

When you have 200+ premium items and 50 first class letters, collections then getting a single loop delivered is impossible. Add to that the two days you or your partner are not covered on their rest days and a shorter Saturday, everything is piling up. Short term the only answer would be to throw people and hours at the job, they seem happier to let it pile up.
They can’t recruit, no one wants it so they don’t dismiss

And in that they've created a pretty inefficient method of working, if only one, two or no loops are getting delivered then it's the pairing driving round together doing parcels and 1st class mail, it can't be cost effective.

[Tman]

Organised and notified overtime can be enforced. Contracts of employments are explicit. Due to the nature of the work it is a reasonable expectation for overtime to be worked. It has to be organised (resource meetings) and notified (rotas).

You're confused. Overtime working is always stated to be a "reasonable expectation" and that clause was present even way back in GPO times.
However, an employee may have to attend to a disabled relative, pick up a kid from from school, attend a medical appointment or a million other things at a certain time at the end of their shift there's not a thing the employer can do to stop them leaving on the dot.

[Beanyjazz]

'You are obliged to work the hours set out in your contract.'......That is it.

'You only have to work overtime if your contract says so.'......Mine doesn't

You CANNOT be forced to work more than your hours.

They could say 'you're working an hour less this Monday and an extra hour on Saturday'.....But they have to give a week's notice and that would seem like working overtime. They can't make you work 1 minute over. It's not the army, it's not the police, it's not the NHS, it's a private company.

Do your time and go home.

[tramssirhc]

Organised and notified overtime can be enforced. Contracts of employments are explicit. Due to the nature of the work it is a reasonable expectation for overtime to be worked. It has to be organised (resource meetings) and notified (rotas).

You're confused. Overtime working is always stated to be a "reasonable expectation" and that clause was present even way back in GPO times.
However, an employee may have to attend to a disabled relative, pick up a kid from from school, attend a medical appointment or a million other things at a certain time at the end of their shift there's not a thing the employer can do to stop them leaving on the dot.

Employment law is clear. It is a reasonable expectation for employers to enforce overtime working. Case law exists.

[tramssirhc]

'You are obliged to work the hours set out in your contract.'......That is it.

'You only have to work overtime if your contract says so.'......Mine doesn't

You CANNOT be forced to work more than your hours.

They could say 'you're working an hour less this Monday and an extra hour on Saturday'.....But they have to give a week's notice and that would seem like working overtime. They can't make you work 1 minute over. It's not the army, it's not the police, it's not the NHS, it's a private company.

Do your time and go home.

Employment law says very different. It is a reasonable expectation for employers to expect employees to work overtime. Case law exists.

[Jefferson Starfish]

Ever heard of collective bargaining?

If the agreement is to introduce compulsory overtime and it's voted in, then your contract will change accordingly. Just like it did in when your contracted hours reduced in the past and for many other things too.

It doesn't need to actually say it on your physical contract for it to apply, otherwise we'd all be getting new contracts every year.

But under law, you can't be forced to work more than an average of 48 hours per week.