DPR drops per Hour

[Paul1983]

I think it varies, if you are a DPR Hub, you may be running "delivery pro" or something along those lines, it no longer gives a set three mins per drop - it gives less based on geographical location. I had a five hour 55 min route that had 140 calls, and 179 packets. due to some being postable I was able to complete - A day after I had a 5 hour 50 route, 132 stops, 149 large - and i ended up taking 20 back undelivered as out of time.

I feel we need more support and guidance from the union for DPR routes.

Loading times should be clearer. is the van checks within loading times? what van was these times tested on???

How many yorks per van type maximum? trying to fit four yorks into a combo is very very difficult, it takes longer to play jenga with seven yorks of large into a peugeot expert than it does with 3 yorks of mixed size ect..

We are being told 30 mins to load van with a van check. I simply cant van check and load six stacked yorks of large in that time..

[tramssirhc]

I think it varies, if you are a DPR Hub, you may be running "delivery pro" or something along those lines, it no longer gives a set three mins per drop - it gives less based on geographical location. I had a five hour 55 min route that had 140 calls, and 179 packets. due to some being postable I was able to complete - A day after I had a 5 hour 50 route, 132 stops, 149 large - and i ended up taking 20 back undelivered as out of time.

I feel we need more support and guidance from the union for DPR routes.

Loading times should be clearer. is the van checks within loading times? what van was these times tested on???

How many yorks per van type maximum? trying to fit four yorks into a combo is very very difficult, it takes longer to play jenga with seven yorks of large into a peugeot expert than it does with 3 yorks of mixed size ect..

We are being told 30 mins to load van with a van check. I simply cant van check and load six stacked yorks of large in that time..

The vehicle check have an agreed time, which is longer on a Tuesday. Does the 30 minutes include scanning each packet to obtain it's number in the delivery order?

[Paul1983]

The vehicle check have an agreed time, which is longer on a Tuesday. Does the 30 minutes include scanning each packet to obtain it's number in the delivery order?

Thats as i thought, the van check should be extra on top of loading time. Yes that is to include everything.

To be fair it has not been an issue really, but the times i am being told - when questioning them, I cant achieve... I have optimized as much as possible , load directly into the van ect.. But I would like to know where I stand if I get pulled up for going over the loading times.

No idea if these times have actually been checked by the union. Or if this is just some figure Royal mail have come up with as achievable, likewise with delivery pro and the new tighter times on the DPR routes, These seem to be achievable sometimes - but really require some corner cutting to complete within time, with the old system I would always knock time off it, the new system its a real battle to complete sometimes, and other times it just isn't happening.

[hans solo]

Near minimum wage = minimum effort

[menditsa]

30 mins to scan your route to order, load van and do a van check correctly is impossible.

2 full yorks takes me 60 mins then I spend 15 mins doing a proper van check.
Then add time on for vans with not enough charge, dirty vans, low pressure on tyres etc etc

I number my parcels and load back into yorks then reverse load outside.
I don't load outside using zones loading blindly.

For all that say this is quicker it is not, I'm inside longer but load way faster than those outside who are fannying around with packets on van roofs and all over the car park floor. Makes me chuckle when it's pissing down and they are getting soaked thro.

Doing the job properly it's impossible hit the 30 drops per hour.
Of course it can if you don't wear a seatbelt, leave the van on, doorstep without ringing and never leave a P739

[tramssirhc]

The vehicle check have an agreed time, which is longer on a Tuesday. Does the 30 minutes include scanning each packet to obtain it's number in the delivery order?

Thats as i thought, the van check should be extra on top of loading time. Yes that is to include everything.

To be fair it has not been an issue really, but the times i am being told - when questioning them, I cant achieve... I have optimized as much as possible , load directly into the van ect.. But I would like to know where I stand if I get pulled up for going over the loading times.

No idea if these times have actually been checked by the union. Or if this is just some figure Royal mail have come up with as achievable, likewise with delivery pro and the new tighter times on the DPR routes, These seem to be achievable sometimes - but really require some corner cutting to complete within time, with the old system I would always knock time off it, the new system its a real battle to complete sometimes, and other times it just isn't happening.

The CWU has no interest in what happens to you. The local rep, the area rep, the div rep and every official above them know what you are having to do. They couldn't care less. The only person who can defend you, is you.

[Paul1983]

If they value their subs they should do as more and more DPR routes will be going live in the future.

I agree with only one who can defend yourself is yourself, but to be effective some known facts and procedure goes a long way. Im going to assume none of this has had any kind of official testing till proved otherwise, and what's achievable varies day by day, the computer certainly isnt always right -or even close sometimes, and should probably been seen as "guidelines"

[MylesBolton]

Well been working for the past few days and though to check in on this, and it seems to have blown up, so I am going to just type out some replies as I read through them.

[MylesBolton]

There should be a 'champion'. Try the COM support.

I will ask tomorrow when I am in

[MylesBolton]

I’m blushing at the compliment, Ted

My take on it is that there can be no set number of drops per hour as there are simply too many factors at play. Are the drops “tight”, eg a sector or cluster, or spread out? Delivering in daylight or at night? Traffic conditions? Weather? Tired and disengaged postie but still an acceptable pace or one raring to go? Day of delivery (as people are more likely to be home on certain days)? Oversized/heavy parcels or a mix of smaller and larger? Rural, suburban or inner city? Etc, Etc.

Achieving even 10 drops an hour on a rural route might be impossible, yet 25, 30 or even more an hour may be easily achievable, even at a sedate pace, on a road with inbuilt parcel boxes (we have a new-build development of “executive homes” where every property has its own parcel box!!). In central London, for example, where I worked for years before relocating, you might spend 20 minutes navigating a one-way system just to make one delivery. Just too many variables.

Ultimately, if the ad-hoc/PRO manifest estimates that it will take, for example, 5 hours, a manager can’t then argue or insist it can be done quicker. In certain cases the postie might in fact argue it will take way longer than the time estimated by the route-planner — it can often be massively out.

yes i 100% agree with this we have a selection of routes some rural some in town, but we start at 4pm for our LAT shift so at this time of year it's all in the dark and management is pushing us out till 10pm with parcels even though I have brought up with them that 9pm is the limit for parcels, but they just default to the new contacts say 10pm, then also expecting our faster people to shave some time off

then our normal DPRs are made up of parcels that the day shift can't get though a letterbox starting at 2pm till 10pm as well, and it is hard to keep up with the drops after the 3rd hour going 110% because of the speed limits all being incorrect (they don't pay me enough to run but some do), its doable, but it is hard to get 165 parcels done in a 8hr shift sometimes

Also, I should add what I mean by a 8hr shift is I clock in get given like 6-8 Yorks and told to scan and number my parcels out of it (basically double handling everything) as I can't load directly info the van because someone on day shift has it, once numbered, and I have all the spare stuff shifted to one side I then need to try to find the missing parcel within that load of stuff thinking it must be my mistake because there is one missing for some reason find out It's not there so just give up then load the van up and head out sometimes 50mins late after my departure time with 6:30 of a route, realise half way though my route after I have made back 20mins that I forgot to do a van check do that deliver my packets come back after my finish time to scan in the retentions or no answers leave at like 22:50 go home eat sleep repeat

[MylesBolton]

who cares work to time

It's all well and good if you can do that, but some people in my DO are on a 6-month probation period, so management just holds that over them saying that you are not up to Royal Mails standard.

[MylesBolton]

who cares work to time

Maybe the op cares an thats why they are asking the question??

Exactly, maybe the op is being hassled by a clown manager telling them they should be doing 50 per hour or something equally ridiculous.

Kinda not 50 but 22 parcels per hour for sometimes 8 hours strait no breaks. somties you can get small clusters where you can park the van and do 3-4 in a area but most need you to drive 200/300ft

[MylesBolton]

The PDA Route optimisation estimates 3 mins per parcel, so 20 per hour...

Remember ...Dedicated Parcel Routes generally have oversize parcels which do not slip through the letter box.

THIS. We have to wait at every door, take the picture get the signature.... nothing can go through a letterbox that gets sent out with the day shift on normal mail routes.

[MylesBolton]

I think it varies, if you are a DPR Hub, you may be running "delivery pro" or something along those lines, it no longer gives a set three mins per drop - it gives less based on geographical location. I had a five hour 55 min route that had 140 calls, and 179 packets. due to some being postable I was able to complete - A day after I had a 5 hour 50 route, 132 stops, 149 large - and i ended up taking 20 back undelivered as out of time.

I feel we need more support and guidance from the union for DPR routes.

Loading times should be clearer. is the van checks within loading times? what van was these times tested on???

How many yorks per van type maximum? trying to fit four yorks into a combo is very very difficult, it takes longer to play jenga with seven yorks of large into a peugeot expert than it does with 3 yorks of mixed size ect..

We are being told 30 mins to load van with a van check. I simply cant van check and load six stacked yorks of large in that time..

asking a few of the people on my shift and other DOs we have said minimum 20mins to load a van but about 20/30 parcels per 10 mins for numbering and loading assuming no double handling then following the driver's manual for times for van checks

[MylesBolton]

Of course it can if you don't wear a seatbelt, leave the van on, doorstep without ringing and never leave a P739

sounds like my depot