Trimble Conduct

[Smoothbackground]

If they tried that on me I'd be quick to ask how come certain colleagues are exclusively driving hire vans and their driving standards aren't routinely assessed. All staff should be held to the same standard.

Exactly.

And surely the final word on speeding would be a speeding ticket? Not the data from a device which isn’t filming what else is happening on the road.

Pretty certain if an employee is regularly being caught speeding then management have a responsibility to act before they seriously injure or kill somebody in an accident and it becomes a police/CPS matter.

I’d like to know if they have ever successfully sacked someone based on Trimble speeding data and then if that sacking was challenged at a tribunal.

It’s pretty clear the Trimble and PDA data is only useful up to a point. It’s all easily challenged if you are ever pulled by a manager on anything. Unless you are a wrongun of course.

Yeah it would be interesting to know, I don't think you could challenge a sacking though, I'd imagine it's in a similar category to seatbelts in that royal mail specify you have to wear it whilst driving one of their vans, if you don't it's misconduct regardless of what anyone might argue the law/highway code dictates. They also say you must strictly adhere to speed limits so presumably if someone foolishly ignored that simple instruction then they'd leave themselves open to disciplinary measures. I'm sure we've all signed something as drivers that we'll abide to their rules.

It WOULD be interesting to know because it would give an indication of the veracity of Trimble data. Your point about seatbelts is interesting because just today I got into a van with the passenger seatbelt fastened into the driver holder. This is common among the DPRs so catching people out on the seatbelts still requires human observation.

This is prevalent among posties. Full stop. Stupid posties at that. The seatbelt is there for YOUR safety. Wear it!

[ted_e_bear]

If they tried that on me I'd be quick to ask how come certain colleagues are exclusively driving hire vans and their driving standards aren't routinely assessed. All staff should be held to the same standard.

Exactly.

And surely the final word on speeding would be a speeding ticket? Not the data from a device which isn’t filming what else is happening on the road.

Pretty certain if an employee is regularly being caught speeding then management have a responsibility to act before they seriously injure or kill somebody in an accident and it becomes a police/CPS matter.

I’d like to know if they have ever successfully sacked someone based on Trimble speeding data and then if that sacking was challenged at a tribunal.

It’s pretty clear the Trimble and PDA data is only useful up to a point. It’s all easily challenged if you are ever pulled by a manager on anything. Unless you are a wrongun of course.

Yeah it would be interesting to know, I don't think you could challenge a sacking though, I'd imagine it's in a similar category to seatbelts in that royal mail specify you have to wear it whilst driving one of their vans, if you don't it's misconduct regardless of what anyone might argue the law/highway code dictates. They also say you must strictly adhere to speed limits so presumably if someone foolishly ignored that simple instruction then they'd leave themselves open to disciplinary measures. I'm sure we've all signed something as drivers that we'll abide to their rules.

It WOULD be interesting to know because it would give an indication of the veracity of Trimble data. Your point about seatbelts is interesting because just today I got into a van with the passenger seatbelt fastened into the driver holder. This is common among the DPRs so catching people out on the seatbelts still requires human observation.

This is prevalent among posties. Full stop. Stupid posties at that. The seatbelt is there for YOUR safety. Wear it!

Absolutely, it's stipulated that if you drive a royal mail vehicle you must apply the seat belt, end of, no ifs or buts, it's a sackable offence if caught but we've still got people who plug the belts in to stop the beeping and subsequently forget to unplug them on their return to the do.

And no I'm not Peter Perfect just like most I don't always plug mine in when going a short distance or on parts of a rural duty but I'm equally not that stupid to drive a long distance or plug it in either.

[paulh118]

If they tried to conduct based on trimble data then the 1st question should be when was that trimble last calibrated!!!!

[Barnacle]

If they tried to conduct based on trimble data then the 1st question should be when was that trimble last calibrated!!!!

I think the most it can be used for are threats and a stern telling off.

[Rve83ndxd]

If they tried to conduct based on trimble data then the 1st question should be when was that trimble last calibrated!!!!

I think the most it can be used for are threats and a stern telling off.

Several people in our office have been banned from driving for speeding. Seems to be the extent of it.

I was thinking of doing it. Fed up of driving.

[Barnacle]

If they tried to conduct based on trimble data then the 1st question should be when was that trimble last calibrated!!!!

I think the most it can be used for are threats and a stern telling off.

Several people in our office have been banned from driving for speeding. Seems to be the extent of it.

I was thinking of doing it. Fed up of driving.

They must have spare drivers in your office because you have to hit something to be removed from driving and then it’s only temporary at our place.

[SpacePhoenix]

If they tried that on me I'd be quick to ask how come certain colleagues are exclusively driving hire vans and their driving standards aren't routinely assessed. All staff should be held to the same standard.

Exactly.

And surely the final word on speeding would be a speeding ticket? Not the data from a device which isn’t filming what else is happening on the road.

Pretty certain if an employee is regularly being caught speeding then management have a responsibility to act before they seriously injure or kill somebody in an accident and it becomes a police/CPS matter.

I’d like to know if they have ever successfully sacked someone based on Trimble speeding data and then if that sacking was challenged at a tribunal.

It’s pretty clear the Trimble and PDA data is only useful up to a point. It’s all easily challenged if you are ever pulled by a manager on anything. Unless you are a wrongun of course.

Yeah it would be interesting to know, I don't think you could challenge a sacking though, I'd imagine it's in a similar category to seatbelts in that royal mail specify you have to wear it whilst driving one of their vans, if you don't it's misconduct regardless of what anyone might argue the law/highway code dictates. They also say you must strictly adhere to speed limits so presumably if someone foolishly ignored that simple instruction then they'd leave themselves open to disciplinary measures. I'm sure we've all signed something as drivers that we'll abide to their rules.

It WOULD be interesting to know because it would give an indication of the veracity of Trimble data. Your point about seatbelts is interesting because just today I got into a van with the passenger seatbelt fastened into the driver holder. This is common among the DPRs so catching people out on the seatbelts still requires human observation.

This is prevalent among posties. Full stop. Stupid posties at that. The seatbelt is there for YOUR safety. Wear it!

Absolutely, it's stipulated that if you drive a royal mail vehicle you must apply the seat belt, end of, no ifs or buts, it's a sackable offence if caught but we've still got people who plug the belts in to stop the beeping and subsequently forget to unplug them on their return to the do.

And no I'm not Peter Perfect just like most I don't always plug mine in when going a short distance or on parts of a rural duty but I'm equally not that stupid to drive a long distance or plug it in either.

If it's more than 50m being driven without a seatbelt, then it's also a criminal offence as well as a sackable offence

[Simondavid]

The law allows multi drop drivers a distance of 50 meters between drop RM seem to disagree so I now follow RM instructions and it takes longer to deliver less whilst all of our competitors fly around side doors open and no seat belts (Amazon)

[Barnacle]

The law allows multi drop drivers a distance of 50 meters between drop RM seem to disagree so I now follow RM instructions and it takes longer to deliver less whilst all of our competitors fly around side doors open and no seat belts (Amazon)

Is this correct? I thought a seatbelt had to be worn in any moving vehicle? Or does the law state that under 50m is a ticket and over 50m you’re going to get points?

[fb1969]

The law - https://www.gov.uk/seat-belts-law/when- ... -seat-belt

When I was at RM we had two brand new Peugeot Experts delivered, one to our van share and one to another. After a couple of weeks we were told to swap vans as the Trimble in the other van must be faulty as it was showing so many alerts and they wanted to 'test' it. We got their van and the driver's seat belt alarm had been cut and the inside of the cargo area was trashed. And a couple of weeks later we were told the Trimble we now had was fine, and the one in our original van was showing a large number of alerts. Being RM and RM management, the other van share had the Expert taken off them and they were given a van without a Trimble.

[TopperGas]

The law allows multi drop drivers a distance of 50 meters between drop RM seem to disagree so I now follow RM instructions and it takes longer to deliver less whilst all of our competitors fly around side doors open and no seat belts (Amazon)

Is this correct? I thought a seatbelt had to be worn in any moving vehicle? Or does the law state that under 50m is a ticket and over 50m you’re going to get points?

I doubt many delivery drivers only drive 50m between drops, they are all basically taking a chance the police won't notice they are not wearing a seatbelt. Somebody I know was pulled over by the police as they noticed he was on his phone and he also wasn't wearing seatbelt, so that was 9pts on his license!!

[ted_e_bear]

The law allows multi drop drivers a distance of 50 meters between drop RM seem to disagree so I now follow RM instructions and it takes longer to deliver less whilst all of our competitors fly around side doors open and no seat belts (Amazon)

Is this correct? I thought a seatbelt had to be worn in any moving vehicle? Or does the law state that under 50m is a ticket and over 50m you’re going to get points?

Here's a link for info

https://www.gov.uk/seat-belts-law/when- ... -seat-belt

However as far as working for royal mail is concerned they insist that whenever you drive one of their vans you must engage the seatbelt so whatever the law states is no form of excuse or get out clause

[TopperGas]

I can't imagine there are many drivers who now only drive 50m between customers, with the demise of milk rounds I doubt even milkman can use the 50m excuse if caught driving w/o a seat belt. What's surprising is that the wearing of a seat belt is not also a feature of the data Trimble records.

[SpacePhoenix]

The law - https://www.gov.uk/seat-belts-law/when- ... -seat-belt

When I was at RM we had two brand new Peugeot Experts delivered, one to our van share and one to another. After a couple of weeks we were told to swap vans as the Trimble in the other van must be faulty as it was showing so many alerts and they wanted to 'test' it. We got their van and the driver's seat belt alarm had been cut and the inside of the cargo area was trashed. And a couple of weeks later we were told the Trimble we now had was fine, and the one in our original van was showing a large number of alerts. Being RM and RM management, the other van share had the Expert taken off them and they were given a van without a Trimble.

The other van share should have been sacked for gross misconduct for cutting the seatbelt alarm

[Smoothbackground]

There is indeed a 50-metre exemption for those engaged in multidrop etc. But it only takes 10 metres of movement for you to put your head through the windscreen in a collision and thereby lose your eyesight or worse.