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[Barnacle]

It is all very well saying they just want to flood offices with new starters on inferior contracts, but I have to say, the standard coming forward to sign up nowadays is not good. I realise it is a generalisation, but the turnover for new starters is ridiculous in our office. I see new faces most weeks now, who leave so quickly I don’t even have time to learn their names. And as much as it pains me to say, a lot of the newbies are terrible at the job and really don’t care to improve. I can’t say I blame them either, given how they are treated by both the company and most of the established workers (not gonna use the ‘old guard’ phrase).

There will come a point where RM will realise that people don’t want to do this job for the peanuts they pay and the inferior terms they offer, if you make their working life more difficult, especially if they have kids or other commitments. Especially when the weather turns to s**t again later this week.

Staff have always left. I am the only one left out of my intake class. The operative word is ‘flood’. If you throw enough mud at a wall eventually it sticks. We have 40+ extra staff than four years ago. It’s those on the older contracts who are leaving at a higher rate and that’s exactly what they want.

[Smoothbackground]

Barnacle makes a good point above re mud sticking to the wall.
Based on what I’ve seen at our DO, I would suggest that out of every 50 new employees taken on, only 16 or so - ie roughly a third - will stay in the job for any real length of time. (By “real length of time” I am meaning anything longer than six months!)

[Acca Dacca]

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Don't know how late other offices finish but mine in Edinburgh is over 2 hours later finishing time which i can kinda manage through the summer but when it hits October onwards and its dark at 4pm and the xmas pressure arrives meaning working till 8-9 pm at night in the dark is a big no no for me , Add in our office is an utter shambles with barely any staff so we have to leave part of our duties to cover tracks on other duties which means double mail the next again day , I know people will say work to your time and go home which is right , Just had enough of the place and it's not good for my mental health , Shame , As it was the best job in the world years ago !

Why would you be out until 9pm delivering if you don’t want to?

Just say no
Why would you need to work till 8-9pm during the pressure? What is your current oficial finishing time?

On a rural new finishing time is 5pm . Throw in xmas pressure and your leaving the office at 1pm instead of 11am . I'm on IP with only 1 other person , We have over 1 thousand new houses with no additional help we are expected to sort letters and parcels between the 2 of us which takes so much time

Anyway like i said guys i'm out the place very soon so thanks for the input

[dazzler123]

New starts potentially leave the company quicker, so has the attrition rate gone up? = extra costs in recruiting and training.

It is quite common for posties not to get paid properly for the overtime they do which makes them permanently stop doing any overtime. It's outrageous. Have even been told of managers refusing to pay posties overtime because they think the postie is booking too much time, the postie stops doing overtime, then the managers are screwed as mail is always coming back.

A new start told me recently that him and his new van-share partner both weren't being paid properly so they can't be bothered with the overtime.

The company treats their staff like cr@p.

In our place its almost expected to not get your hours from certain managers. its beyond disgraceful and completely lost goodwill towards the company. While they get bonuses left, right and centre

[Hyrrokkin]

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Don't know how late other offices finish but mine in Edinburgh is over 2 hours later finishing time which i can kinda manage through the summer but when it hits October onwards and its dark at 4pm and the xmas pressure arrives meaning working till 8-9 pm at night in the dark is a big no no for me , Add in our office is an utter shambles with barely any staff so we have to leave part of our duties to cover tracks on other duties which means double mail the next again day , I know people will say work to your time and go home which is right , Just had enough of the place and it's not good for my mental health , Shame , As it was the best job in the world years ago !

Why would you want to work till 9pm for these halfwits

That's the point, they don't want to! IMHO RM are working to an unwritten policy to make it unworkable for peeps on the old style
contracts finishing at 2-4 pm and just employ more people whose contracts require them to be available until 7 - 9 pm.

That’s what it looks like to me. Instead of messing about with VR they are playing the longer game of making people on older contracts leave and flooding offices with new contract staff. There’ll be a tipping point soon where more people are on newer contracts and then the pressure on the golden oldies will really start.

That’s my theory anyway.

Many would agree with you - i certainly do
It is obvious that's RM medium/long term plan and one of the reasons why Kretinsky wants us....RM doing the job for him before he even starts.

[postslippete]

And as much as it pains me to say, a lot of the newbies are terrible at the job and really don’t care to improve. I can’t say I blame them either, given how they are treated by both the company and most of the established workers (not gonna use the ‘old guard’ phrase).

The company needs to be looking at why they are terrible at the job and why they don't care to improve. Is it because they are moved from pillar to post and put on duties with 2 days+ worth of mail most days??

Our manager has been using blackmail promising some of the new staff that they will be on a fixed duty for the week if they clear everyday and/or work their day off. Because we had an overtime ban not so long ago, some of them are even coming in early and working past their time unpaid which is f**ing nuts!

[postslippete]

In our place its almost expected to not get your hours from certain managers. its beyond disgraceful and completely lost goodwill towards the company. While they get bonuses left, right and centre

Goodwill left the company years ago but some posties will never see the woods from the trees. I regularly start and finish on time, don't rush round, take my breaks and I often leave mail in agreement at all times whenever I can't complete. I'm not popular with management but there is no bad blood on my side and I think deep down they respect that I'm one of the few that are still trying to do the job properly. Sadly, as an office we don't have the same mentality which is a shame because if we did then our jobs overall would be a damn site easier. I said this many years ago when the company brought in lapsing but it always falls on deaf ears.

[LouBarlow]

In our place its almost expected to not get your hours from certain managers. its beyond disgraceful and completely lost goodwill towards the company. While they get bonuses left, right and centre

Goodwill left the company years ago but some posties will never see the woods from the trees. I regularly start and finish on time, don't rush round, take my breaks and I often leave mail in agreement at all times whenever I can't complete. I'm not popular with management but there is no bad blood on my side and I think deep down they respect that I'm one of the few that are still trying to do the job properly. Sadly, as an office we don't have the same mentality which is a shame because if we did then our jobs overall would be a damn site easier. I said this many years ago when the company brought in lapsing but it always falls on deaf ears.

It is interesting because I have the same approach to you, but management are supportive of those of us who start on time. It was even brought up in work time learning last week, that managers would prefer us to start as close to our start times as possible, I guess because it gives them less hassle from above if they see people finishing ridiculously early. Of course, we still have muppets starting anything up to 45 minutes early. The irony being, our mail arrives later now, due to the network changes, and we still have to clock out on time anyway.

[Barnacle]

In our place its almost expected to not get your hours from certain managers. its beyond disgraceful and completely lost goodwill towards the company. While they get bonuses left, right and centre

Goodwill left the company years ago but some posties will never see the woods from the trees. I regularly start and finish on time, don't rush round, take my breaks and I often leave mail in agreement at all times whenever I can't complete. I'm not popular with management but there is no bad blood on my side and I think deep down they respect that I'm one of the few that are still trying to do the job properly. Sadly, as an office we don't have the same mentality which is a shame because if we did then our jobs overall would be a damn site easier. I said this many years ago when the company brought in lapsing but it always falls on deaf ears.

It is interesting because I have the same approach to you, but management are supportive of those of us who start on time. It was even brought up in work time learning last week, that managers would prefer us to start as close to our start times as possible, I guess because it gives them less hassle from above if they see people finishing ridiculously early. Of course, we still have muppets starting anything up to 45 minutes early. The irony being, our mail arrives later now, due to the network changes, and we still have to clock out on time anyway.

Do you mean people are starting early and working for free until their start time? Where’s the sense in that?!

[dazzler123]

In our place its almost expected to not get your hours from certain managers. its beyond disgraceful and completely lost goodwill towards the company. While they get bonuses left, right and centre

Goodwill left the company years ago but some posties will never see the woods from the trees. I regularly start and finish on time, don't rush round, take my breaks and I often leave mail in agreement at all times whenever I can't complete. I'm not popular with management but there is no bad blood on my side and I think deep down they respect that I'm one of the few that are still trying to do the job properly. Sadly, as an office we don't have the same mentality which is a shame because if we did then our jobs overall would be a damn site easier. I said this many years ago when the company brought in lapsing but it always falls on deaf ears.

It is interesting because I have the same approach to you, but management are supportive of those of us who start on time. It was even brought up in work time learning last week, that managers would prefer us to start as close to our start times as possible, I guess because it gives them less hassle from above if they see people finishing ridiculously early. Of course, we still have muppets starting anything up to 45 minutes early. The irony being, our mail arrives later now, due to the network changes, and we still have to clock out on time anyway.

Do you mean people are starting early and working for free until their start time? Where’s the sense in that?!

some people are set in their ways. A guy who comes in early and finishes early was pulled last week to go back out and do some packets. He refused, and had no real grounds to

[LouBarlow]

In our place its almost expected to not get your hours from certain managers. its beyond disgraceful and completely lost goodwill towards the company. While they get bonuses left, right and centre

Goodwill left the company years ago but some posties will never see the woods from the trees. I regularly start and finish on time, don't rush round, take my breaks and I often leave mail in agreement at all times whenever I can't complete. I'm not popular with management but there is no bad blood on my side and I think deep down they respect that I'm one of the few that are still trying to do the job properly. Sadly, as an office we don't have the same mentality which is a shame because if we did then our jobs overall would be a damn site easier. I said this many years ago when the company brought in lapsing but it always falls on deaf ears.

It is interesting because I have the same approach to you, but management are supportive of those of us who start on time. It was even brought up in work time learning last week, that managers would prefer us to start as close to our start times as possible, I guess because it gives them less hassle from above if they see people finishing ridiculously early. Of course, we still have muppets starting anything up to 45 minutes early. The irony being, our mail arrives later now, due to the network changes, and we still have to clock out on time anyway.

Do you mean people are starting early and working for free until their start time? Where’s the sense in that?!

Exactly that. It is maddening.

[postslippete]

It is interesting because I have the same approach to you, but management are supportive of those of us who start on time. It was even brought up in work time learning last week, that managers would prefer us to start as close to our start times as possible, I guess because it gives them less hassle from above if they see people finishing ridiculously early. Of course, we still have muppets starting anything up to 45 minutes early. The irony being, our mail arrives later now, due to the network changes, and we still have to clock out on time anyway.

They often ask me to come in early on o/t to double prep from time to time because they know that we end up leaving the office later leaving mail behind otherwise. Ironically, the ones who don't get offered this overtime are coming in early unpaid. I'm sure they have their own reasons why they do this but I often hear managers laugh about it in the office!!