Agreement reached on Average Holiday Pay, Resourcing and the reintroduction of Postal Cadets.

[Dexydog]

Part time staff are not cheering until we see the detail.

[Dexydog]

If the company was upfront and transparent about the whole getting rid of f/t contracts and replacing with p/t then I’d have no issue if that’s the direction they wanted. The annoying factor for me is the deception with it all, agreements being made that clearly don’t mean a thing , yet the union appear to believe its a victory of sorts. The bottom line is the agreements don’t hold up. Had numerous reps look into it now and they would clarify the issues which obviously surrounds thousands of members, Has terry got a contact email or number ?

Listening to that podcast, anyone would think Terry honestly believes anyone that wants it will be full time very soon.
I'll believe it when I see it.

[world class male]

trying not to sound pessimistic but i get the feeling those that fit the "criteria" will be PT who quite rightly deserve an average when on leave,
purely guess work here, but he states that maternity and paternity average will be included, something not required by law, this could be offset with a cap at FT hrs meaning FT may get nothing, or a pint at a wetherspoons
now at my age and workload even redtube doesn't give me the urge to qualify for paternity average pay

[Martin Walsh]

The delay in releasing the detail is agreement was reached on Tuesday night and legal letters need to be drawn up and of course there is the situation of 5000 legal cases to deal with.

[Woody Guthrie]

So trying to simplify that.

Full-time :Yes everything but only for 4 weeks.

Part-time: Either everything for 4 weeks or only up to full-time equivalent for entire holiday entitlement, choose your poison.

Is that it?

[world class male]

Full time will are included and average holiday pay will count towards their first 4 weeks in line with European Holiday.

Part timers will have 2 options any part timers who works up to 38 hours or SWW has been deployed will have average pay for all their contracted leave.

Any part timers who work overtime above 38 hours will have those hours about 38 hours count towards their first 4 weeks leave in line with the European Holiday period.

We have also defined what regular overtime is classed as.it is a minimum of 8 hours over a month. There is a reference period agreed as well.

thanks for clearing that up, why tp or the agreement not be published at the same time i don't know?
would save my negative comments

[Martin Walsh]

Part timers get both woody

[Woody Guthrie]

Part timers get both woody

I'm not sure I follow, part-timers can't get an average of their entire overtime worked over their entire holiday entitlement because that would mean full-time staff would have to have the same to be legally compliant.

It has to be the option of one or the other not both.

[Woody Guthrie]

No I get you now.
All overtime over all entitlement up to full-time equivalent then only 4 weeks after that.
It's been a long day Martin.

[Grumpyoldmailman]

Part timers get both woody

I'm not sure I follow, part-timers can't get an average of their entire overtime worked over their entire holiday entitlement because that would mean full-time staff would have to have the same to be legally compliant.

It has to be the option of one or the other not both.

Full timer does 50 hours every week, gets 50 hours when on holiday

Part timer does 50 hours every week, gets 50 hours when on holiday

Your contracted hours becomes irrelevant surely?

[Woody Guthrie]

Part timers get both woody

I'm not sure I follow, part-timers can't get an average of their entire overtime worked over their entire holiday entitlement because that would mean full-time staff would have to have the same to be legally compliant.

It has to be the option of one or the other not both.

Full timer does 50 hours every week, gets 50 hours when on holiday

Part timer does 50 hours every week, gets 50 hours when on holiday

Your contracted hours becomes irrelevant surely?

No the point I was making concerned whether it covered the 4 weeks or your entire holiday entitlement but I think I get it now.

[gerardy]

Does the 2 years back dated include those of us in Northern Ireland?

I and many many others were under the impression that legally we could go back 20 years for back pay, what is going on.

We need more detail asap

[Grumpyoldmailman]

No the point I was making concerned whether it covered the 4 weeks or your entire holiday entitlement but I think I get it now.

Ah I see. A good all round agreement if RM have conceded that for PT members as well. Would hate to think what the final bill will be when all is said or done. I guess they will really be trying to screw down on overtime now in any offices which they haven’t already.

[Woody Guthrie]

This is my summary of what we know now.



Back pay will be limited to two years.

After that payment will be made in two lump sums per year just like the SA agreement.

Full-time staff will be included but only covering the 4 weeks covered by the EU directive.

Part-time staff will receive any payments up to full-time equivalent hours covering their entire holiday entitlement and then anything over full-time hours covering the 4 week entitlement ensuring parity with full-time members.

Is that where we are so far?

[Martin Walsh]

Geardy it applies to all the UK.

I am not aware of whether the ruling is different in Northern Ireland but in 2014 there was ruling in England and Wales which meant that you could only go back a maximum of 2 years on claims to protect the employer.