So what exactly does the joint statement mean?

[calsae]

The Joint Statement means Jacksh1t in our unit. Revision nearly completed, com doesn’t want to discuss anything with the rep. Unit failing everyday, tracked still priority over everything else, people leaving every week due to bullying com who is being bullied by his manager above and looks as if he will burst into tears very soon. Meanwhile the top brass on both sides CWU/RM don’t fret about putting food on the table for their children. This is the real problem not only in RM but in this country. The elite of this country need brought down.

[AlbertHerbertHawkins]

The solution to that, that was used in the past, was ''longs and shorts''

Half an hour less attendance on Monday Tuesday Saturday and half hour longer on Wed Thur Friday

I agree that's an option, but the discrepancy is pretty big in our office, and how big a difference between the longs and the shorts do you go to account for that? It becomes almost as disruptive to people's working patterns as some of the more egregious stuff the company are suggesting. There's also the added difficulty of convincing most of the office that they are no longer getting paid for sitting at home on a Monday and are not getting as much overtime on a Wednesday

[Acca Dacca]

The solution to that, that was used in the past, was ''longs and shorts''

Half an hour less attendance on Monday Tuesday Saturday and half hour longer on Wed Thur Friday

I agree that's an option, but the discrepancy is pretty big in our office, and how big a difference between the longs and the shorts do you go to account for that? It becomes almost as disruptive to people's working patterns as some of the more egregious stuff the company are suggesting. There's also the added difficulty of convincing most of the office that they are no longer getting paid for sitting at home on a Monday and are not getting as much overtime on a Wednesday

Dont need to convince the office as can move start times up and down 30 mins without agreement - as they did before

[Shadedpostie]

Martin, the union has basically green lighted the huge increase in workload that these revisions will bring. .

Huge increase in workload?
Less than a year ago our revision planned the duties at around 4hrs 30 minutes.
At the moment our duties are averaging 3hrs 45 minutes.
Far less on some days.
There has been a huge decrease in workload over the past 12 months.
The very worst the revision will do in our office will be to add another 40 minutes back on to each duty which won't even take it back to last year's duty span.
I'm being brutally honest which seems to be in short supply on this forum. Everyone seems to be remarkably overworked even though we are woefully short of work at the moment.

I'm aware that some offices seem to get screwed over more than others but sometimes on here people try to imply that what happens in their office applies across the country. It doesn't.

The union has basically given our office the tools to protect our start times and attendance patterns, it was never about stopping joint revisions which were agreed to in the previous deal and which are badly needed if I'm honest. If your revision in your office turns out to be a mess there are tools available in the joint statement for addressing that but they don't work all by themselves. You have to also ask why it's a mess though.

Neither you nor RM seem to take into account that we are all walking further and further every day - we are not robots. There should be a union negotiated agreement limiting how many miles we walk every week/month/year.

This is definitely seems to be the problem with these revisions. Yeah, in terms of volume of letters, they have been going down at least in our office but the work you are doing outdoor has dramatically increased. Hell on my round, now added half a round near enough to my own work through absorption. Only just barely have enough time to take breaks and literal minutes to finish time or bang on there. I'm coming back from work now physically exhausted whereas few years ago didn't even bother me as much. Doing that repeatedly everyday you are going to end up running the workforce down a lot faster than before. In agreement that should be a limit to how much you should be walking every single day. It's laughable they even considering changing the sick pay when more people will be off if revisions end up piling on more outdoor work on workforce. You are going to end up like some of these UPS drivers that are falling asleep on the wheel.

[SpacePhoenix]

This is definitely seems to be the problem with these revisions. Yeah, in terms of volume of letters, they have been going down at least in our office but the work you are doing outdoor has dramatically increased. Hell on my round, now added half a round near enough to my own work through absorption. Only just barely have enough time to take breaks and literal minutes to finish time or bang on there. I'm coming back from work now physically exhausted whereas few years ago didn't even bother me as much. Doing that repeatedly everyday you are going to end up running the workforce down a lot faster than before. In agreement that should be a limit to how much you should be walking every single day. It's laughable they even considering changing the sick pay when more people will be off if revisions end up piling on more outdoor work on workforce. You are going to end up like some of these UPS drivers that are falling asleep on the wheel.

I think ultimately in deliveries you're going to have to choose if you want to be full time with much more outdoor work, or have less outdoor work but be part time

[Shadedpostie]

This is definitely seems to be the problem with these revisions. Yeah, in terms of volume of letters, they have been going down at least in our office but the work you are doing outdoor has dramatically increased. Hell on my round, now added half a round near enough to my own work through absorption. Only just barely have enough time to take breaks and literal minutes to finish time or bang on there. I'm coming back from work now physically exhausted whereas few years ago didn't even bother me as much. Doing that repeatedly everyday you are going to end up running the workforce down a lot faster than before. In agreement that should be a limit to how much you should be walking every single day. It's laughable they even considering changing the sick pay when more people will be off if revisions end up piling on more outdoor work on workforce. You are going to end up like some of these UPS drivers that are falling asleep on the wheel.

I think ultimately in deliveries you're going to have to choose if you want to be full time with much more outdoor work, or have less outdoor work but be part time

Yeah, that's possibly where I see this all going now in the likely mindset of the board at RM. Aim seems to be reducing indoor sorting and more chances for them to get more parcels delivered. Seems to be the case with new contracts being 40 hours for full time again and dumb, outlandish ideas such as the frameless sorting that was posted on here awhile ago whilst on delivery.

[pinstripe]

I think ultimately in deliveries you're going to have to choose if you want to be full time with much more outdoor work, or have less outdoor work but be part time

Except, in deliveries, the outdoor work is the same length for both full time and part time

[SpacePhoenix]

This is definitely seems to be the problem with these revisions. Yeah, in terms of volume of letters, they have been going down at least in our office but the work you are doing outdoor has dramatically increased. Hell on my round, now added half a round near enough to my own work through absorption. Only just barely have enough time to take breaks and literal minutes to finish time or bang on there. I'm coming back from work now physically exhausted whereas few years ago didn't even bother me as much. Doing that repeatedly everyday you are going to end up running the workforce down a lot faster than before. In agreement that should be a limit to how much you should be walking every single day. It's laughable they even considering changing the sick pay when more people will be off if revisions end up piling on more outdoor work on workforce. You are going to end up like some of these UPS drivers that are falling asleep on the wheel.

I think ultimately in deliveries you're going to have to choose if you want to be full time with much more outdoor work, or have less outdoor work but be part time

Yeah, that's possibly where I see this all going now in the likely mindset of the board at RM. Aim seems to be reducing indoor sorting and more chances for them to get more parcels delivered. Seems to be the case with new contracts being 40 hours for full time again and dumb, outlandish ideas such as the frameless sorting that was posted on here awhile ago whilst on delivery.

With RM pressing ahead with the installation of PSMs in MCs whilst still having the super-hubs I think their aim is to have MCs to eventually walk sort all packets, otherwise there's no logic in having both PSMs in MCs and having the super-hubs. I think at some point they'll look into machines which can sequence or at least walk sort all the current manual and mech letters and large letters, the technology already exists for sorting of mixed letters (letters and large letters together), it's a case of whether RM feel the tech has evolved far enough

[Shadedpostie]

The members are not going to vote for the kind of lousy deal that it appears that we are heading towards.

I think they would. Any deal that comes out from these meetings now the workforce will more than likely will vote on yes. The main difference to what has happened in the past is now union is backing up the claims the RM is in financial trouble this time around. So this will be their best and final shot. This will be the union's final test. People will either stick with the union if they present a good pay deal or will drop them entirely if it's significantly less than what was offered.

[guardianangel]

I don't really like the tone of the union being all sympathetic to the financial hard times Royal Mail are facing!

It means they are trying to dress up some massive sell out on everything they told us we needed to win the latest ballot for...

This company is being bled dry from COM's getting a monster payrise right up through to board level including all the hundreds of made up jobs for the boys type roles you see with a ridiculous title rolled out on RMTV.


Whatever deal we end up with it will be about 2 years before we are technically back in front after all the strike days.

I'm not against the union and more than willing to strike but this really isn't looking good

exactly no mention of the £680m given away and the reasons we originally went on strike for,inflation still rising on every commodity we should now be asking for more,same as you i have this funny feeling the union are going to sell us out again ,if so its the end of the cwu and exactly what the union busting company was brought into do and the cwu have fallen for it hook line and sinker.

[guardianangel]

It means the 2 parties are lining us up for a slam dunk into the world of slavery.

[postslippete]

I think ultimately in deliveries you're going to have to choose if you want to be full time with much more outdoor work, or have less outdoor work but be part time

As someone else has mentioned. Part-time and full-time outdoor duties are the same. The long term vision is for Royal Mail to reduce indoor hours so outdoor hours is something that will likely increase.

They could instead have a part-time shift of working less days in the week, for example 3 days instead of 5. Whether this is cost effective or not, I don't know.