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Guidance on shielding and protecting people defined on medical grounds as extremely vulnerable from COVID-19 : Those who received the letter

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https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... m-covid-19

It's extremely long, please use the link for all the info, I will just put up a summary.

What do we mean by extremely vulnerable?

People falling into this extremely vulnerable group include:

1:Solid organ transplant recipients
2:People with specific cancers:
  • people with cancer who are undergoing active chemotherapy or radical radiotherapy for lung cancer
    people with cancers of the blood or bone marrow such as leukaemia, lymphoma or myeloma who are at any stage of treatment
    people having immunotherapy or other continuing antibody treatments for cancer
    people having other targeted cancer treatments which can affect the immune system, such as protein kinase inhibitors or PARP inhibitors
    people who have had bone marrow or stem cell transplants in the last 6 months, or who are still taking immunosuppression drugs
3:People with severe respiratory conditions including all cystic fibrosis, severe asthma and severe COPD.
4:People with rare diseases and inborn errors of metabolism that significantly increase the risk of infections (such as SCID, homozygous sickle cell).
5:People on immunosuppression therapies sufficient to significantly increase risk of infection.
6:Women who are pregnant with significant heart disease, congenital or acquired.

If you think you fall into one of the categories of extremely vulnerable people listed above and you have not received a letter by Sunday 29 March 2020 or been contacted by your GP, you should discuss your concerns with your GP or hospital clinician.

What you need to know
If you have an underlying health condition listed above, you are at very high risk of severe illness as a result of coronavirus (COVID-19) requiring admission to hospital.

Shielding is a practice used to protect extremely vulnerable people from coming into contact with coronavirus.

You are strongly advised to stay at home at all times and avoid any face-to-face contact for a period of at least 12 weeks from the day you receive your letter. Please note that this period of time could change.

Visits from people who provide essential support to you such as healthcare, personal support with your daily needs or social care should continue, but carers and care workers must stay away if they have any of the symptoms of coronavirus (COVID-19). You may find this guidance on home care provision useful. All people coming to your home should wash their hands with soap and water for at least 20 seconds on arrival to your house and often whilst they are there.

You should have an alternative list of people who can help you with your care if your main carer becomes unwell. You can also contact your local council for advice on how to access care.

If you think you have developed symptoms of COVID-19 such as a new, continuous cough or fever, seek clinical advice using the NHS 111 online coronavirus service or call NHS 111. Do this as soon as you get symptoms.

If you have someone else living with you, they are not required to adopt these protective shielding measures for themselves. They should do what they can to support you in shielding and they should stringently follow guidance on social distancing, reducing their contact outside the home. If you care for but don’t actually live with someone who is extremely vulnerable you should still stringently follow guidance on social distancing.

How do these measures differ from the social distancing guidance for vulnerable people issued?
You are strongly advised to stay at home at all times and avoid any face-to-face contact for a period of at least 12 weeks from the day you receive your letter.

People who are not clinically extremely vulnerable who have contracted coronavirus (COVID-19) and recovered will be able to go about their normal business. If you are in this group we strongly advise that you should remain at home at all times.

What should you do if you have someone else living with you?
Whilst the rest of your household are not required to adopt these protective shielding measures for themselves, we would expect them to do what they can to support you in shielding and to stringently follow guidance on social distancing.
  • 1:Minimise as much as possible the time other family members spend in shared spaces such as kitchens, bathrooms and sitting areas, and keep shared spaces well ventilated.

    2:Aim to keep 2 metres (3 steps) away from people you live with and encourage them to sleep in a different bed where possible. If you can, you should use a separate bathroom from the rest of the household. Make sure you use separate towels from the other people in your house, both for drying themselves after bathing or showering and for hand-hygiene purposes.

    3:If you do share a toilet and bathroom with others, it is important that they are cleaned after use every time (for example, wiping surfaces you have come into contact with). Another tip is to consider drawing up a rota for bathing, with you using the facilities first.

    4:If you share a kitchen with others, avoid using it while they are present. If you can, you should take your meals back to your room to eat. If you have one, use a dishwasher to clean and dry the family’s used crockery and cutlery. If this is not possible, wash them using your usual washing up liquid and warm water and dry them thoroughly. If you are using your own utensils, remember to use a separate tea towel for drying these.

    5:We understand that it will be difficult for some people to separate themselves from others at home. You should do your very best to follow this guidance and everyone in your household should regularly wash their hands, avoid touching their face, and clean frequently touched surfaces.
If the rest of your household stringently follow advice on social distancing and minimise the risk of spreading the virus within the home by following the advice above, there is no need for them to also shield alongside you.
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We are advising those who are at increased risk of severe illness from coronavirus (COVID-19) to be particularly stringent in following social distancing measures.
This group includes those who are:

  • aged 70 or older (regardless of medical conditions)
    under 70 with an underlying health condition listed below (ie anyone instructed to get a flu jab as an adult each year on medical grounds):
    chronic (long-term) respiratory diseases, such as asthma, chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD), emphysema or bronchitis
    chronic heart disease, such as heart failure
    chronic kidney disease
    chronic liver disease, such as hepatitis
    chronic neurological conditions, such as Parkinson’s disease, motor neurone disease, multiple sclerosis (MS), a learning disability or cerebral palsy
    diabetes
    problems with your spleen – for example, sickle cell disease or if you have had your spleen removed
    a weakened immune system as the result of conditions such as HIV and AIDS, or medicines such as steroid tablets or chemotherapy
    being seriously overweight (a body mass index (BMI) of 40 or above)
    those who are pregnant
Note: there are some clinical conditions which put people at even higher risk of severe illness from COVID-19. If you are in this category, next week the NHS in England will directly contact you with advice about the more stringent measures you should take in order to keep yourself and others safe. For now, you should rigorously follow the social distancing advice in full, outlined below.

People falling into this group are those who may be at particular risk due to complex health problems such as:
  • people who have received an organ transplant and remain on ongoing immunosuppression medication
    people with cancer who are undergoing active chemotherapy or radiotherapy
    people with cancers of the blood or bone marrow such as leukaemia who are at any stage of treatment
    people with severe chest conditions such as cystic fibrosis or severe asthma (requiring hospital admissions or courses of steroid tablets)
    people with severe diseases of body systems, such as severe kidney disease (dialysis)
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What is the key preventative advice for ‘vulnerable’ employees?
Guidance to protect extremely vulnerable people has been issued by the NHS who are writing, emailing or texting people that are extremely vulnerable due to certain medical conditions or the treatment they are undergoing. Employees that receive this contact from the NHS should fully comply with the instructions in the letter and keep their line manager informed.
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If we receive the letter and have to go into isolation for 12 weeks then do we get paid?
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I have high blood pressure and went to the AandE with chest pains and very high BP a week or so ago. Hypertension is a known risk factor with this virus and I am wondering what anyone else in this position has done.
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Would the Royal Mail know If I receive the letter and what could happen work wise if I don’t stay at home but come to work
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Mazz thematic wrote:Would the Royal Mail know If I receive the letter and what could happen work wise if I don’t stay at home but come to work
I have an employee in my team who is in a vulnerable group and they have stated that they want to come to work? What should I do?

Currently the advice from PHE is to strongly advise that individuals who are pregnant, over 70 or with an underlying health condition should consider social distancing. If an employee decides that they want to come to work you should discuss the reasons and encourage the employee to read the advice on Public Health England, however it is their decision if they wish to attend work. Please note that the advice could change so always check the Public Health website for the very latest position.
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Sala101 wrote:If we receive the letter and have to go into isolation for 12 weeks then do we get paid?
Yes.
It will be recorded as sick absence (self-isolation).
Obviously the business will need to see the letter so scan it and email it to your manager, do not go near the office.
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Woody Guthrie wrote:
Sala101 wrote:If we receive the letter and have to go into isolation for 12 weeks then do we get paid?
Yes.
It will be recorded as sick absence (self-isolation).
Obviously the business will need to see the letter so scan it and email it to your manager, do not go near the office.
Do you get bank holidays and any annual leave back ?
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tractorboy2 wrote:
Woody Guthrie wrote:
Sala101 wrote:If we receive the letter and have to go into isolation for 12 weeks then do we get paid?
Yes.
It will be recorded as sick absence (self-isolation).
Obviously the business will need to see the letter so scan it and email it to your manager, do not go near the office.
Do you get bank holidays and any annual leave back ?
There is no official guidance as yet however if Royal Mail's normal sick pay policy applies it will be yes to annual leave.

Bank Holidays are more tricky.
You are legally entitled to them back only if it forms part of your minimum statutory holiday entitlement of 28 days, for someone on the minimum contractual annual leave of 22.5 days this might be the case but for someone like me for instance with 30 days it wouldn't.
In most cases you won't get them back.
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Woody Guthrie wrote:
tractorboy2 wrote:
Woody Guthrie wrote:
Sala101 wrote:If we receive the letter and have to go into isolation for 12 weeks then do we get paid?
Yes.
It will be recorded as sick absence (self-isolation).
Obviously the business will need to see the letter so scan it and email it to your manager, do not go near the office.
Do you get bank holidays and any annual leave back ?
There is no official guidance as yet however if Royal Mail's normal sick pay policy applies it will be yes to annual leave.

Bank Holidays are more tricky.
You are legally entitled to them back only if it forms part of your minimum statutory holiday entitlement of 28 days, for someone on the minimum contractual annual leave of 22.5 days this might be the case but for someone like me for instance with 30 days it wouldn't.
In most cases you won't get them back.
Thanks for your answer. I get 30 days as well. So that means the only time you will get them back is if you get less than 28 days ?
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Does anyone know how our contracts are worded on this matter as that could be crucial ?
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Woody Guthrie wrote:
tractorboy2 wrote:
Woody Guthrie wrote:
Sala101 wrote:If we receive the letter and have to go into isolation for 12 weeks then do we get paid?
Yes.
It will be recorded as sick absence (self-isolation).
Obviously the business will need to see the letter so scan it and email it to your manager, do not go near the office.
Do you get bank holidays and any annual leave back ?
There is no official guidance as yet however if Royal Mail's normal sick pay policy applies it will be yes to annual leave.

Bank Holidays are more tricky.
You are legally entitled to them back only if it forms part of your minimum statutory holiday entitlement of 28 days, for someone on the minimum contractual annual leave of 22.5 days this might be the case but for someone like me for instance with 30 days it wouldn't.
In most cases you won't get them back.
Are you sure about this? I thought the same and challenged my manger on it, he said no he got the area manager in he said no, my rep said he didnt no his boss agreed with the manager.
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Are you ever sure of anything with Royal Mail.

What I do know is that the law says.
Employers cannot force employees to take annual leave when they’re eligible for sick leave.
And Royal Mail says this about the over 70s and thee very vulnerable group.
If an employee is not able to work from home the absence will be treated as a sickness absence and you should choose Coronavirus self-isolation as the absence reason.
So adding A+B means that they can't force you to take your annual leave during isolation.
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Woody Guthrie wrote:Are you ever sure of anything with Royal Mail.

What I do know is that the law says.
Employers cannot force employees to take annual leave when they’re eligible for sick leave.
And Royal Mail says this about the over 70s and thee very vulnerable group.
If an employee is not able to work from home the absence will be treated as a sickness absence and you should choose Coronavirus self-isolation as the absence reason.
So adding A+B means that they can't force you to take your annual leave during isolation.
Sorry i was reffering to bank holidays, dont think i used the quotes right :oops: