40,000 job cuts but they are still taking on new employees??

shoredogg · Post by **shoredogg** » 26 Jun 2007, 18:10

I have recently just started as a Postman at the royal mail (2 weeks ago). One thing i can't understand is why they are still taking on new employees if they are going to cut 40,000 jobs?

Does this mean that i will lose my job as i am a new comer??

madelin4 · Post by **madelin4** » 26 Jun 2007, 18:16

shoredogg wrote:I have recently just started as a Postman at the royal mail (2 weeks ago). One thing i can't understand is why they are still taking on new employees if they are going to cut 40,000 jobs?

Does this mean that i will lose my job as i am a new comer??

no, u wont loose your job, there plan is to get rid of as many full-timers and bring in part-timers as they are cheaper!! so all us good staff who care dont mean a thing to them!!!! :cfo

Spartacus · Post by **Spartacus** » 26 Jun 2007, 18:22

Do you have a contract or are they using you as a casual?

shoredogg · Post by **shoredogg** » 26 Jun 2007, 18:34

I'v got a 12 week contract. I cant beleive their just going to get rid of all the full timers, why don't they just give you a part time contract??

IWW Fellow Worker · Post by **IWW Fellow Worker** » 26 Jun 2007, 18:51

shoredogg wrote:I'v got a 12 week contract. I cant beleive their just going to get rid of all the full timers, why don't they just give you a part time contract??

Because we don't want one. We can't afford it. In fact we want YOU to have a full-time substantive contract.

Post by **Shiggaddi** » 26 Jun 2007, 18:54

shoredogg wrote:I'v got a 12 week contract. I cant beleive their just going to get rid of all the full timers, why don't they just give you a part time contract??

There have been discussions on other parts of the board that people are being offered part time work. At the end of the day, they can ask people to leave on voluntary redundancy, or ask people if they would like to go part time, and offer a buy out, but until now it's not been company policy to force redundancies or reduction in hours.

Another thing they can do to reduce staff, is to not renew contracts for anyone not on permanent contract.

Post by **TrueBlueTerrier** » 26 Jun 2007, 18:56

Welcome to RMC shoredogg - you sure join us in interesting times. Good luck.

shoredogg · Post by **shoredogg** » 26 Jun 2007, 18:58

Oh i see. I'v been told by my union rep that when we strike that i will have to go in as i am not registered with the union because i'v only justs started a 12 week contract.

What will happen if i strike? will i lose my job?

Spartacus · Post by **Spartacus** » 26 Jun 2007, 19:01

shoredogg wrote:I'v got a 12 week contract. I cant beleive their just going to get rid of all the full timers, why don't they just give you a part time contract??

What will happen once the twelve weeks are up?

They'll probably lay you off for a couple of weeks and then re-employ you again.

In my office they went through a phase of issuing new staff with a one hour contract,the rest of the week was made up with overtime(single rate obv.)Poor sods couldn't afford to take any annual leave.

The Wobbly answered the question about part time contracts perfectly well so no need to answer that.

Royal Mail's not a great place to start right now but best of luck with everything,hope it all works out for you.

shoredogg · Post by **shoredogg** » 26 Jun 2007, 19:01

Thank you TrueBlueTerrier and thank you Royal Mail Chat for having me.

I certaintly have joined the Royal Mail at an interesting time!

Durden · Post by **Durden** » 26 Jun 2007, 20:18

shoredogg wrote:Oh i see. I'v been told by my union rep that when we strike that i will have to go in as i am not registered with the union because i'v only justs started a 12 week contract.

What will happen if i strike? will i lose my job?

That's bollocks. The union is RM nominated negotiator between themselves & the staff. All employees have exactly the same rights whether they are union members or not. This strike has been called for legally so RM cannot change your contract because you chose not to work. All that will happen is that you will be marked down as absent due to industrial action & you will lose a days pay.

I don't wish to step on your union reps toes but I'm afraid your guy is giving you poor information.

dogfood · Post by **dogfood** » 26 Jun 2007, 21:32

I have a full time contract with RM if we don't get a decent pay rise I will be working full time for a part time wage.
(feck I already do)

STICK TOGETHER LADS AND ENJOY YOURSELF ON THE PICKET LINES

KawasakiKid · Post by **KawasakiKid** » 26 Jun 2007, 22:58

Durden wrote:
shoredogg wrote:Oh i see. I'v been told by my union rep that when we strike that i will have to go in as i am not registered with the union because i'v only justs started a 12 week contract.

What will happen if i strike? will i lose my job?
That's bollocks. The union is RM nominated negotiator between themselves & the staff. All employees have exactly the same rights whether they are union members or not. This strike has been called for legally so RM cannot change your contract because you chose not to work. All that will happen is that you will be marked down as absent due to industrial action & you will lose a days pay.

I don't wish to step on your union reps toes but I'm afraid your guy is giving you poor information.

Durden, How can a single employee who has only just started, not in the union, has not been balloted, not got a permanent contract, GO ON STRIKE and hope to get a new contract when it's up for renewal? Maybe his rep is trying to look after him as he is a newbie!!!!!!!!!---------A KWESTIONING KWAK

smokerjim · Post by **smokerjim** » 26 Jun 2007, 23:07

KawasakiKid wrote:
Durden wrote:
shoredogg wrote:Oh i see. I'v been told by my union rep that when we strike that i will have to go in as i am not registered with the union because i'v only justs started a 12 week contract.

What will happen if i strike? will i lose my job?
That's bollocks. The union is RM nominated negotiator between themselves & the staff. All employees have exactly the same rights whether they are union members or not. This strike has been called for legally so RM cannot change your contract because you chose not to work. All that will happen is that you will be marked down as absent due to industrial action & you will lose a days pay.

I don't wish to step on your union reps toes but I'm afraid your guy is giving you poor information.
Durden, How can a single employee who has only just started, not in the union, has not been balloted, not got a permanent contract, GO ON STRIKE and hope to get a new contract when it's up for renewal?---------A KWESTIONING KWAK

The screws only have to look at his record at contract renewal time & think "I've got one vacancy. The scab hasn't missed a day, the guy with principles and a backbone joined the picket. Now, who would I want to join the workforce?" :think :think :think

Shoredogg, I would recommend you come into work on Friday & not join the union, just keep your head well down, until after the IA is settled ( the collar your rep pdq ) - as was mentioned above, you're not in the Union, you weren't ballotted & you need to do all you can to get a permanant contract.....so next time, you can be right at the front of the line. I hope it is settled soon, for your sake - I do not envy you.

Post by **Shiggaddi** » 26 Jun 2007, 23:22

Legally, Royal Mail can't sack him for going on strike, unless they sack every striking worker. However in reality his manager can decide whether to extend the contract. If the contract was only for 12 weeks, then officially Royal Mail have asked for his labour for 12 weeks and no more.

It could be Royal Mail tactics to employ people on temporary contracts across loads of delivery offices so they have more workers during the strike.

If I was doing a job for just 12 weeks, I wouldn't waste a days pay going on strike for some of it as the loss of pay for 1 days work would far outweigh the increase in pay that might not even be implemented during the course of the contract.

And if I wanted to impress management and hope for an extension of the 12 weeks contract, the best way to go about that would be to go to work, instead of striking.

I can see the position you're in, and I'm sure your fellow posties won't blame you for crossing the picket line.

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