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Question about Vertical prep

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postmanplod69
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Question about Vertical prep

Post by postmanplod69 »

Happening next week in my office apparently at the moment we have d2ds for each day labelled Monday to Saturday and a column at the end my partner clears his every day well I take houses that get mail, so with vertical prep am I right that the Monday column for example will have a full day's d2ds for that day as we are prepping downwards, well it won't effect me that much it could potentially with double slots have him going to well over 100 delivery points on a certain day or have I got it wrong?
pieoftheday
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Re: Question about Vertical prep

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postmanplod69 wrote:
28 Aug 2025, 19:28
Happening next week in my office apparently at the moment we have d2ds for each day labelled Monday to Saturday and a column at the end my partner clears his every day well I take houses that get mail, so with vertical prep am I right that the Monday column for example will have a full day's d2ds for that day as we are prepping downwards, well it won't effect me that much it could potentially with double slots have him going to well over 100 delivery points on a certain day or have I got it wrong?
It's no big deal, it really isnt
scoobydo79
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Re: Question about Vertical prep

Post by scoobydo79 »

Be ready for a 💩show. You wil either clear them and end up walking up paths with just a leaflet or as you pull mail out take the leaflet with it and any that don’t go with mail write the door number on and leave in frame till it has mail to go with it.
Oscar_Grouch
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Re: Question about Vertical prep

Post by Oscar_Grouch »

The SOP states that that's all door-to-doors must be prepped on a Monday and in exceptional circumstances the prep can be carried over to Tuesday
Theey are to be done on a warm call basis, that is they only go when that particular address has addressed mail and any leftover get mopped up at the end of the week.
A bit of common sense can be applied. I.E if you're going past every door on a block of flats and The extra time it would take to take every item is negligible, you might as well clear the block of flats

This also clears the issue on vanshare duties which share one massive frame, where if door-to-doors were done on an X amount of columns per day basis the loops would end up incredibly lopsided at times.

Both door-to-doors go when there's double slots unless you got a good reason for not taking them. In which case you mark it up the leftover one and take it the next day. It's really not a big issue.

Communication with your van share partner and your manager and asking to see the written process yourself. It does exist. Should stop any disagreements or anyone having a humph before it has a chance to blow up into anything more serious.
SpacePhoenix
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Re: Question about Vertical prep

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This is where RM should do away with D2D in its current form and insist on all D2D being addressed and machine sortable. That would open up options for how it gets released such as a portion getting released along with any for any other DPs that have got something else being released.
Jefferson Starfish
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Re: Question about Vertical prep

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SpacePhoenix wrote:
28 Aug 2025, 20:56
This is where RM should do away with D2D in its current form and insist on all D2D being addressed and machine sortable. That would open up options for how it gets released such as a portion getting released along with any for any other DPs that have got something else being released.
And as you've been told numerous times, make it much more expensive and therefore uneconomic for the D2D customer. :arrrghhh
SpacePhoenix
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Re: Question about Vertical prep

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Jefferson Starfish wrote:
28 Aug 2025, 21:20
SpacePhoenix wrote:
28 Aug 2025, 20:56
This is where RM should do away with D2D in its current form and insist on all D2D being addressed and machine sortable. That would open up options for how it gets released such as a portion getting released along with any for any other DPs that have got something else being released.
And as you've been told numerous times, make it much more expensive and therefore uneconomic for the D2D customer. :arrrghhh
How often do they just end up sitting under frames anyway or just don't get touched at all in DOs?
Jefferson Starfish
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Re: Question about Vertical prep

Post by Jefferson Starfish »

SpacePhoenix wrote:
28 Aug 2025, 21:35
Jefferson Starfish wrote:
28 Aug 2025, 21:20
SpacePhoenix wrote:
28 Aug 2025, 20:56
This is where RM should do away with D2D in its current form and insist on all D2D being addressed and machine sortable. That would open up options for how it gets released such as a portion getting released along with any for any other DPs that have got something else being released.
And as you've been told numerous times, make it much more expensive and therefore uneconomic for the D2D customer. :arrrghhh
How often do they just end up sitting under frames anyway or just don't get touched at all in DOs?
Is that relevant to how much higher the costs would be for those companies that send out D2D's?

The costs of printing individual addresses on each one and presumably RM charging more, would mean the end of D2D's overnight.
Selhurst
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Re: Question about Vertical prep

Post by Selhurst »

If D2D’s are to continue RM must put it out there that these should be standardised in size and paper qualty. Pizza leaflets for example. A mess to prep, a mess to tie up, and not to mention when it rains. Papier-mâché springs to mind.
Shaugi
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Re: Question about Vertical prep

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How often do they just end up sitting under frames anyway or just don't get touched at all in DOs?
There's been a crackdown in my DO...too may d2ds being returned to the MC so now we have to count how many haven't been used, return them to the locker with a written note of the duty number and remaining d2ds.
The main issue is when someone has a week a/l, the cover were leaving the d2ds under the frame, or for a d/o the RDC weren't bothering on a monday and the reg wasn't bothering on tuesday cos SOP says they are only framed up on monday.
yellowbelly
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Re: Question about Vertical prep

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Shaugi wrote:
31 Aug 2025, 05:56
How often do they just end up sitting under frames anyway or just don't get touched at all in DOs?
There's been a crackdown in my DO...too may d2ds being returned to the MC so now we have to count how many haven't been used, return them to the locker with a written note of the duty number and remaining d2ds.
The main issue is when someone has a week a/l, the cover were leaving the d2ds under the frame, or for a d/o the RDC weren't bothering on a monday and the reg wasn't bothering on tuesday cos SOP says they are only framed up on monday.
Management failing again then.
TopperGas
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Re: Question about Vertical prep

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Selhurst wrote:
29 Aug 2025, 09:48
If D2D’s are to continue RM must put it out there that these should be standardised in size and paper qualty. Pizza leaflets for example. A mess to prep, a mess to tie up, and not to mention when it rains. Papier-mâché springs to mind.
Or RM just allocate sufficent time to prep something which is probably highly profitable for the company?
SkiSunday
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Re: Question about Vertical prep

Post by SkiSunday »

TopperGas wrote:
31 Aug 2025, 11:54
Selhurst wrote:
29 Aug 2025, 09:48
If D2D’s are to continue RM must put it out there that these should be standardised in size and paper qualty. Pizza leaflets for example. A mess to prep, a mess to tie up, and not to mention when it rains. Papier-mâché springs to mind.
Or RM just allocate sufficent time to prep something which is probably highly profitable for the company?
But that would mean less time on the street for us donkeys "delivering" T24 and T48, which is about 98% of the proof of service RM can provide to it's customers... (i.e. the sender)
Rve83ndxd
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Re: Question about Vertical prep

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yellowbelly wrote:
31 Aug 2025, 08:46

Management failing again then.
Postie failing.
tramssirhc
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Re: Question about Vertical prep

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postmanplod69 wrote:
28 Aug 2025, 19:28
Happening next week in my office apparently at the moment we have d2ds for each day labelled Monday to Saturday and a column at the end my partner clears his every day well I take houses that get mail, so with vertical prep am I right that the Monday column for example will have a full day's d2ds for that day as we are prepping downwards, well it won't effect me that much it could potentially with double slots have him going to well over 100 delivery points on a certain day or have I got it wrong?
Yes the vertical prep does result in the whole loops with unaddressed mail. This means an imbalance in paired duties as the other loop has no unaddressed mail. There has been no change to the standard operating procedure. Have you considered prepping the unaddressed mail horizontally?
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