Colleague stepping up to Deputy Manager

[WelshBlueShirt]

Can anyone help with this debate i have with a colleague who's applying as Deputy Manager.

They are currently working as a workplace coach, but as they haven't seen any written policy stating that they must give it up if they apply to be a Deputy Manager on an as and when basis, they don't think they should have to resign the coaching job.

My take on it is that they are supposed to give it up. So if anyone has access to any policy that states either way, please do so, so i can end this debate.

Thanks

[Perseus]

Is there any similar similar sized UK company that employs so many people from shop floor to manager?
Why isn't there more outside Private Sector worker going for thee jobs?
I don't ever remember seeing any.

[A2B]

Is there any similar similar sized UK company that employs so many people from shop floor to manager?
Why isn't there more outside Private Sector worker going for thee jobs?
I don't ever remember seeing any.

I don't think someone coming in from outside RM would be prepared to work with the day to day crisis management

[A2B]

Can anyone help with this debate i have with a colleague who's applying as Deputy Manager.

They are currently working as a workplace coach, but as they haven't seen any written policy stating that they must give it up if they apply to be a Deputy Manager on an as and when basis, they don't think they should have to resign the coaching job.

My take on it is that they are supposed to give it up. So if anyone has access to any policy that states either way, please do so, so i can end this debate.

Thanks

I wouldn't have thought they would have to give up the role unless they are made management permanently. We have had people become temporary managers at different offices and they keep their walks in case they return to delivery, temporary managers tend to be temporary for a long time

[Oscar_Grouch]

Is there any similar similar sized UK company that employs so many people from shop floor to manager?
Why isn't there more outside Private Sector worker going for thee jobs?
I don't ever remember seeing any.

I don't think someone coming in from outside RM would be prepared to work with the day to day crisis management

My office has had 3 come in from other businesses in my time.
The first quit before she even really started. From a huge nationwide dairy chain. She was appalled at the way people were spoken to, particularly on the conference calls.

The next just couldn't cope, he came from a financial institution. With him it was the people management side of things, rotas, rolling days off, ridiculous a/l systems. He was last seen stacking supermarket shelves.

The third was an ops manager from a local tourist attraction. He was "trained" at the big DO in the nearby big town. When he arrived at our place it became quickly apparent the only thing he had been trained on was taking empty Yorks outside.

I'm not a big fan of management in this company historically, but with some of the things I have witnessed over the years I can't help but feel that those who aren't in a nice, nice stable role are often treated as badly as an OPG.
They just get more coffee breaks while we're begging for a reasonable wee stop

[michael147]

They are not mangers as such, just administrators.
They just do what they are told as directed by the Fuehrer principle.
There is no future for you if you will not tow the line.
It was not always so, my first DOM in the mid 90s was very individual and would argue his case forcibly,
sometimes not following policy if he thought it was the wrong call.
Back in the days when we delivered everything and had pride in the job, on more than one occasion he
simply phoned to say he would not be attending a meeting as he was not needed and could be brought up to speed
later. He had an office to run and a big sickness issue.
Behaviour like that is very much a thing of the past.

[Jb1969]

Cannot do both, when the role is advertised (work place coach)
It does say acting Managers cannot apply.

[TopperGas]

They are not mangers as such, just administrators.
They just do what they are told as directed by the Fuehrer principle.
There is no future for you if you will not tow the line.
It was not always so, my first DOM in the mid 90s was very individual and would argue his case forcibly,
sometimes not following policy if he thought it was the wrong call.
Back in the days when we delivered everything and had pride in the job, on more than one occasion he
simply phoned to say he would not be attending a meeting as he was not needed and could be brought up to speed
later. He had an office to run and a big sickness issue.
Behaviour like that is very much a thing of the past.

Which suggests he wasn't very good at management, or just extremely unlucky?

[TopperGas]

Cannot do both, when the role is advertised (work place coach)
It does say acting Managers cannot apply.

Which seems to make sense as how can somebody do two different roles?

[Barnacle]

Can anyone help with this debate i have with a colleague who's applying as Deputy Manager.

They are currently working as a workplace coach, but as they haven't seen any written policy stating that they must give it up if they apply to be a Deputy Manager on an as and when basis, they don't think they should have to resign the coaching job.

My take on it is that they are supposed to give it up. So if anyone has access to any policy that states either way, please do so, so i can end this debate.

Thanks

They would not be able to continue as a Work Place Coach because a WPC is an OPG position. If you become a manager you are no longer an OPG and you can’t have a foot in both camps.

[Smoothbackground]

If you become a manager you are no longer an OPG and you can’t have a foot in both camps.

But deputy/acting/trainee managers remain as just normal OPGs on the days they aren’t acting up, no?

This is a fantastic opportunity to remain in your current grade and act up as a manager as required. You will take part in a full management induction course where you will learn key skills and you will be supported for future career development.

We have two such people at our office who do a walk or normal duty on the days they’re not acting up. One has their eyes set on promotion to COM and has only very rarely done a walk since becoming a deputy manager, often being lent to neighbouring offices on the days they’re not needed, but the other chap only semi-regularly dons a manager high-vis, and he is more often than not just on a walk as a normal OPG (which is his choice, not management’s).

[Barnacle]

If you become a manager you are no longer an OPG and you can’t have a foot in both camps.

But deputy/acting/trainee managers remain as just normal OPGs on the days they aren’t acting up, no?

This is a fantastic opportunity to remain in your current grade and act up as a manager as required. You will take part in a full management induction course where you will learn key skills and you will be supported for future career development.

We have two such people at our office who do a walk or normal duty on the days they’re not acting up. One has their eyes set on promotion to COM and has only very rarely done a walk since becoming a deputy manager, often being lent to neighbouring offices on the days they’re not needed, but the other chap only semi-regularly dons a manager high-vis, and he is more often than not just on a walk as a normal OPG (which is his choice, not management’s).

Cover managers, continue to be OPG grade employees. But you still would not remain a WPC and become a Cover Manager. That’s riding two horses at the same time.

[Tman]

As the saying went years ago, postie managers were just posties without bikes.
They're just as useless and clueless now even though no-one has a bike anymore.

[Barnacle]

As the saying went years ago, postie managers were just posties without bikes.
They're just as useless and clueless now even though no-one has a bike anymore.

It’s the ones that stay in that position that I don’t get? You’re neither nowt nor somet. Apply to be a manager or be a postie, don’t stay a manager’s dog’s body forever

[Clappedoutpostie]

How much do they get for “acting up” these days?