Nothing is Agreed until Everything is Agreed

[miles_peters]

This was a lie.

[Shirtbuttons]

Most people I know seem to get a pay rise each year end of. Is it just Royal Mail that always wants extra work and strings attached for any pay increase? Other firms just give their staff a pay rise. So why do the union keep stating this is a no strings attached deal. That’s what it should be.

[roadrunner bill]

Most people I know seem to get a pay rise each year end of. Is it just Royal Mail that always wants extra work and strings attached for any pay increase? Other firms just give their staff a pay rise. So why do the union keep stating this is a no strings attached deal. That’s what it should be.

Because that's what it is.. the union have done well here.. they got a no strings attached pay deal..

[richietns]

Most people I know seem to get a pay rise each year end of. Is it just Royal Mail that always wants extra work and strings attached for any pay increase? Other firms just give their staff a pay rise. So why do the union keep stating this is a no strings attached deal. That’s what it should be.

Because that's what it is.. the union have done well here.. they got a no strings attached pay deal..

Is it really though when you factor in the pushing through the uso they couldn't really put more on top of that.

[Sean06]

Most people I know seem to get a pay rise each year end of. Is it just Royal Mail that always wants extra work and strings attached for any pay increase? Other firms just give their staff a pay rise. So why do the union keep stating this is a no strings attached deal. That’s what it should be.

Because that's what it is.. the union have done well here.. they got a no strings attached pay deal..

Is it really though when you factor in the pushing through the uso they couldn't really put more on top of that.

Is the uso agreement not a separate ballot.

[kazardaimenu]

The strings will follow. Any inflation matching rise should have zero strings.

[Martin Walsh]

You have a pay rise to vote on without any conditions and stand alone.

If there is a USO agreement you will have a separate vote on this.

All the others sections if there are agreements reached you will have a vote on them !

So tell me how do the strings come later ??

Remember EP have been the owners for 33 days how much do you think they can negotiate with us on as well as run all their other companies?

[SkiSunday]

You have a pay rise to vote on without any conditions and stand alone.

If there is a USO agreement you will have a separate vote on this.

All the others sections if there are agreements reached you will have a vote on them !

So tell me how do the strings come later ??

Remember EP have been the owners for 33 days how much do you think they can negotiate with us on as well as run all their other companies?

How much is your salary Martin?

[richietns]

You have a pay rise to vote on without any conditions and stand alone.

If there is a USO agreement you will have a separate vote on this.

All the others sections if there are agreements reached you will have a vote on them !

So tell me how do the strings come later ??

Remember EP have been the owners for 33 days how much do you think they can negotiate with us on as well as run all their other companies?

How much is your salary Martin?

Whats your point he's not gonna be on our rate is he,attacking him isn't going to help discussion.

[Pidleypoo]

You have a pay rise to vote on without any conditions and stand alone.

If there is a USO agreement you will have a separate vote on this.

All the others sections if there are agreements reached you will have a vote on them !

So tell me how do the strings come later ??

Remember EP have been the owners for 33 days how much do you think they can negotiate with us on as well as run all their other companies?

I might be missing something here Martin but how do you expect a uso vote to go ? Very few are going to vote for that change which will mean executive action.

Unless that vote has strings attached to it like improved sick pay or overtime rate or maybe even new starters pay being equalised ?

I just don’t know how you expect that to go

[Acca Dacca]

You have a pay rise to vote on without any conditions and stand alone.

If there is a USO agreement you will have a separate vote on this.

All the others sections if there are agreements reached you will have a vote on them !

So tell me how do the strings come later ??

Remember EP have been the owners for 33 days how much do you think they can negotiate with us on as well as run all their other companies?

I might be missing something here Martin but how do you expect a uso vote to go ? Very few are going to vote for that change which will mean executive action.

Unless that vote has strings attached to it like improved sick pay or overtime rate or maybe even new starters pay being equalised ?

I just don’t know how you expect that to go

It will be voted unanimously in because we will be told the alternative is a three day USO and compulsory redundancies as the business wouldn’t be able to afford to pay VR terms to the number that would be going with a three day USO

Martin and Dave have already said the alternative if this doesn’t work, and that it has to, is a three day USO as already established in other countries. This is why it’s just bluster that the USO reform won’t happen without the union and workforce agreeing to it as the union and workforce wouldn’t accept that alternative

Reform is coming whether we like it or not and fear of mass job losses ( and with them, mass loss of subs ) will get it over the line.

You can take this to the bank when the vote comes around

[postslippete]

The CWU may call this a separate deal but they have already admitted that USO reform has to happen due to RM's financial position. Like Acca said, before you get to vote on the USO reform there will be scare stories, job loss threats and plenty of PR centred around "this is the only way to save the business". Prepare yourselves for RM and the CWU to go into overdrive to sell off The Deal: the Sequel and the Deal strikes back, Part 3 in the coming months. USO reform will happen whether you vote or not, so I suspect that some people probably won't bother voting like in the last groundbreaking deal.

EP group might only have been owners of this company for 30 odd days but they have been positioning themselves to take over for years! Ever since the pandemic, Kretinsky has diligently increased his stake from 5% in this business. After we were rewarded with an unconditional pay rise of just 2% in 2022 when inflation rose as high as 11% - RM did actually offer us a pay rise of 5.5% (an additional 3.5% to the 2% already awarded) IF we agreed to the following: changes in sick pay, increased flexibility in duties and working patterns, measures aimed at productivity improvements and mandatory Sunday working. That offer also included other proposals around increased use of technology i.e. performance monitoring apps and a move towards parcel-focussed operations. Now this was before RM decided to recruit staff on inferior pay, terms and conditions and the CWU going on 18 days of strike action between August and December 2022.

So take a look at what was being offered then and what is being offered now. The business could offer to pay us an additional 3.5% back then and what they were after is very similar if not the same as what is being offered now. Personally, I think the business was never in a precarious financial position, and I honestly believe in my heart of hearts, that they could offer a lot more.

[Gary55]

How many staff paticularly older staff will survive the hugely increased workload and the pressure brought to bear from management who will try relentless bullying no doubt with the carrot of a bonus

People who vote for this will eventually be broken on the wheel of relentless grind. Don't think the 3 over 4 duties and other bright ideas will be the end of it.
The chubsters in charge of the union are complicit with their weasel words of future votes loads from my office have left the union so obviously won't get the chance to vote this out even if the deck wasn't already loaded.
Remember everything ward would never accept before and during the strike he is now a Royal Mail apologist. Like the Tory mp who is now a EP consultant expect him to jockey for a similar job as a reward for shafting us all

[TopperGas]

How many staff paticularly older staff will survive the hugely increased workload and the pressure brought to bear from management who will try relentless bullying no doubt with the carrot of a bonus

People who vote for this will eventually be broken on the wheel of relentless grind. Don't think the 3 over 4 duties and other bright ideas will be the end of it.
The chubsters in charge of the union are complicit with their weasel words of future votes loads from my office have left the union so obviously won't get the chance to vote this out even if the deck wasn't already loaded.
Remember everything ward would never accept before and during the strike he is now a Royal Mail apologist. Like the Tory mp who is now a EP consultant expect him to jockey for a similar job as a reward for shafting us all

Problem is if we reject it then it's not like a vote of no confidence in the CWU leadership and DW/MW will quit, we'll still be stuck with those two left to negotiate a better deal, I can't recall Fleet got that much a better deal when they rejected the original offer last year? Plus we have to wait even longer for the back up.

[hewittinspain]

Our dom says he will be surprised if the USO will get to us this year. They are saying earliest September now, Xmas pressure is 6-7 weeks past that and that would be kamikaze for changes to happen through that, the office backup would be incredible.