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RMG/CWU BUSINESS RECOVERY, TRANSFORMATION AND GROWTH AGREEMENT:Sick pay-Attendance Standards-IHR

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6.4.1 Sick Pay

The changes set out below aim to address the current situation whilst ensuring employees
remain eligible for sick pay, normally full sick pay for 6 months and half pay for a further 6
months.

In addition to the measures set out below, we will establish a Joint Working Group (JWG),
with an agreed Terms of Reference, to review the causes and cost of absence with the aim
of introducing a sustainable and supportive plan to improve attendance. It is understood
there are a combination of factors contributing to levels of sick absence, and it will take a
number of different solutions to improve the situation. This will cover all areas put forward by
either party including bullying & harassment, grievance, mental health, neurodiversity, the
Equality Act, and occupational health.

Sick pay from 1st August 2023 will be as follows:

The first period of an employee’s sick absence in a 12-month rolling period would be paid in
line with normal sick pay entitlements under the sick pay policy . For employees in the first
12 months of employment, this is statutory sick pay. After 12 months, this is normally full
pay for six months followed by half pay for six months; and

From the second and any subsequent period of absence in a 12-month rolling period, the
employee would receive the equivalent to statutory sick pay for:

  • • the first two days of the second absence;
    • the first four days of the third absence;
    • the first three days of the fourth and any subsequent
Normal sick pay entitlements would apply following the initial periods of statutory sick pay as
set out above.

These changes will apply to any sickness absences from 1st August 2023.
The JWG will monitor absence rates on a 6-monthly basis from 1st August 2023. If absence
rates fall on average below 5.5% over a 6-month period, then Royal Mail will re-instate the
previous sick pay arrangements. Equally if the absence rates are at or above 5.5% across
the 6-month period, then the approach above will be re-instated. All information relating to
this process will be shared with CWU on a regular basis.

6.4.2 Attendance Standards

New Attendance Standards will be introduced on 1st August 2023.
The new Attendance standards attached at Appendix 6 will be 3 absences or 12 days over
12 months at each stage (a rolling 12-month period for attendance review 1).
There will also be changes to the attendance process. When an employee returns to work
following a period of sickness absence, their manager will hold a Welcome Back Meeting to
discuss the absence and understand whether any further support is required. As part of this
approach, Welcome Back Meetings continue to be an important part of the Attendance
Procedure. However, they will also be used by managers to decide whether an absence will
‘count’ towards the Attendance Standards. Managers will continue to have discretion over
which absences are deemed to count, taking into account mitigating factors (e.g. equality act
absences).
The JWG will resolve within the next 3 months any issues relating to the future role and
application of Welcome Back Meetings, Attendance Reviews and the migration of employees
from the former standards to the new approach outlined above.

6.4.3 Leaving Royal Mail through Ill Health (LTBIH)

Where employment with Royal Mail comes to an end due to ill health and the employee
meets the criteria for LtBIH with lump sum, they would receive a fixed compensation
payment of 16 weeks’ compensation. In addition, the employee will receive a payment in lieu
of notice and a payment in lieu of any accrued but untaken annual leave.
This change will apply to ill health compensation payment authorised on/after 1st August
2023.

In conjunction with the overall success of this agreement RMG and CWU share a joint
ambition to continue to provide industry leading sick pay and ill-health provision for all
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Post by sindba »

Brutal.

One bad cold and a sprained ankle and you're on the procedure, and better hope you get more luck for the next TWO YEARS or it's a dismissal hearing.
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Post by glynnlondon »

Horrific I wonder how far back in RM history you'd have to go to get something this shocking
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Post by clashcityrocker »

Swine before pearls.
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Post by Edward Hunter »

In a job as physical as letter deliveries there is no way the CWU should have allowed a reduction on sick pay. It should have been a red line. This and the shocking pay deal are the two main reasons im finding it hard to accept this deal.
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Post by mags999 »

So is that 16 weeks for ihr instead of 34 weeks what are the union playing at there's blokes done 30 odd years and there ready for the nackers yard and deliveries are gettin longer the union have done nothing for delivery postmen ashamed of them :thumbdown
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Post by Slim2none »

Wow! A joint working group to determine ways to combat the amount of sick leave taken! Maybe start with looking at the revisions, extra workload and stress of dealing with this company and the CWU!
Yep...30min extra during the cold wet winter months in clobber that isn't fit for purpose should really help alleviate the illness records on delivery!
Thank the Lord they've all been working diligently over months and months with our best interests at heart.

F***wits the lot of em!
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Post by DB1100 »

This is terrible for delivery post folk, it's worlds apart delivering in the extremes of weather compared to being in a sheltered mail centre or truck cab.
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Post by ANDREW CROCOMBE »

At 61 mentally and physically wrecked on a daily basis, ready for the knackers yard or a mental home - the poor collapsed donkeys overseas seem familiar now. And we're gonna have a nobody DOM using his doctor skills to decide our futures - paying you off on the cheap. Glorious failure Mr.Ward thanks.
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Post by Thommo44 »

So the best way, is sign your self off for 2 weeks in the winter, not exceeding 12 days, taking one period of absence (2 weeks extra holiday) every year?
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Post by chickenwittle »

Thommo44 wrote:
22 Apr 2023, 09:39
So the best way, is sign your self off for 2 weeks in the winter, not exceeding 12 days, taking one period of absence (2 weeks extra holiday) every year?
If your trying to not trigger a stage review the most you take is 11 days , not 2 weeks and of course you need a sick note for anything that goes over 7 days.
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Post by Postie303330 »

mags999 wrote:
21 Apr 2023, 16:45
So is that 16 weeks for ihr instead of 34 weeks what are the union playing at there's blokes done 30 odd years and there ready for the nackers yard and deliveries are gettin longer the union have done nothing for delivery postmen ashamed of them :thumbdown
I believe it’ll be around 28/30weeks guaranteed regardless of whether you have already been off X amount of weeks/months
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Post by General Mannerheim »

Postie303330 wrote:
22 Apr 2023, 12:11
mags999 wrote:
21 Apr 2023, 16:45
So is that 16 weeks for ihr instead of 34 weeks what are the union playing at there's blokes done 30 odd years and there ready for the nackers yard and deliveries are gettin longer the union have done nothing for delivery postmen ashamed of them :thumbdown
I believe it’ll be around 28/30weeks guaranteed regardless of whether you have already been off X amount of weeks/months
And?
You already get 6 months full and 6 months half pay, if you then get ill health retired the figures are 34 weeks plus 12 weeks plus any leave which brings you up to nearly a years wage now. Going down to 30 weeks is a f***ing con and losing our members thousands of pounds at a worrying time for many people. It's nothing more than an attack on terms and conditions our old union members fought hard for being given up just so reps can justify their jobs on `joint` workshops that always favour the employer.
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Post by FilthyBloke »

You can avoid the stress dismissal by stating you want to take unpaid leave. Maybe your children or mother or even neighbour are sick and you need to look after them.

Then you can rest your ankle or knees until you are ready to come back. It will be unpaid but it might save you dismissal.
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Post by Postie303330 »

General Mannerheim wrote:
22 Apr 2023, 14:46
Postie303330 wrote:
22 Apr 2023, 12:11
mags999 wrote:
21 Apr 2023, 16:45
So is that 16 weeks for ihr instead of 34 weeks what are the union playing at there's blokes done 30 odd years and there ready for the nackers yard and deliveries are gettin longer the union have done nothing for delivery postmen ashamed of them :thumbdown
I believe it’ll be around 28/30weeks guaranteed regardless of whether you have already been off X amount of weeks/months
And?
You already get 6 months full and 6 months half pay, if you then get ill health retired the figures are 34 weeks plus 12 weeks plus any leave which brings you up to nearly a years wage now. Going down to 30 weeks is a f***ing con and losing our members thousands of pounds at a worrying time for many people. It's nothing more than an attack on terms and conditions our old union members fought hard for being given up just so reps can justify their jobs on `joint` workshops that always favour the employer.
I’m not saying it’s a good deal but certainly better than the original proposal.