23rd December

[grchpo]

If we go out on 23rd can we be fired. If so what will stop him doing it

[Chitchat]

If we go out on 23rd can we be fired. If so what will stop him doing it

Don't we have two ballots one on pay and one was done later for terms and conditions?

[grchpo]

Can someone from the union give a definite answer otherwise you will get a lot of people not risking it

[Sputters]

I think the union need clarification from the union on this .

[broughts]

It’s the 24 th and definitely need clarification

[Surreypostie]

Can someone from the union give a definite answer otherwise you will get a lot of people not risking it

Martin Walsh mentioned this a week or so ago in another thread, he said, legal advice will be sought. On the government website it states, you can be sacked after 12 weeks if certain conditions are met. It's on the government website, it is not gossip, it is not best guess, it is the law of the land. Can he do it, probably yes, will he do it? He has said there will be no fire and rehire. Do I believe him? No. We will soon find out and unfortunately, RM have much more money to throw at courts and legal departments, lawyers etc than the union do. Pretty much everyone that makes these decisions about us on the PEC are just postman elected to their jobs by us. It is out of our hands and no point worrying about it. Dave Ward talks about being in this for the long haul if necessary, I am hoping to be out very soon. All I know is, a lot of people in my office have told me, they will give up if this isn't resolved soon. My personal belief is, he is running down the clock, the shareholders are willing to take a hit this year to break us. If they win this, the losses they take this year will have been worth it. All this is just my opinion, it's not right or wrong, just an opinion. I know, I am beyond caring, the whole lot can crash and burn for all I care now. I don't care that we are being told to prioritise parcels over letters, that is an issue for the regulator, RM pay the fines not me. I go to work, do what I am instructed to do and go home, if the place burns down I don't care. If all the vans fall apart and I have nothing to drive, I don't care.If the PDA's don't work, I don't care. If we don't reach an agreement, I don't care, lets be honest, he has torn them up so they are not worth the paper they are written on. If people deciedd to give up and cross the picket line, I don't care. I won't be joining them, I am fortunate, I can afford to strike and I am enjoying having all these days off. If we lose business because of it, guess what, I don't care.

[Chitchat]

Can someone from the union give a definite answer otherwise you will get a lot of people not risking it

Martin Walsh mentioned this a week or so ago in another thread, he said, legal advice will be sought. On the government website it states, you can be sacked after 12 weeks if certain conditions are met. It's on the government website, it is not gossip, it is not best guess, it is the law of the land. Can he do it, probably yes, will he do it? He has said there will be no fire and rehire. Do I believe him? No. We will soon find out and unfortunately, RM have much more money to throw at courts and legal departments, lawyers etc than the union do. Pretty much everyone that makes these decisions about us on the PEC are just postman elected to their jobs by us. It is out of our hands and no point worrying about it. Dave Ward talks about being in this for the long haul if necessary, I am hoping to be out very soon. All I know is, a lot of people in my office have told me, they will give up if this isn't resolved soon. My personal belief is, he is running down the clock, the shareholders are willing to take a hit this year to break us. If they win this, the losses they take this year will have been worth it. All this is just my opinion, it's not right or wrong, just an opinion. I know, I am beyond caring, the whole lot can crash and burn for all I care now. I don't care that we are being told to prioritise parcels over letters, that is an issue for the regulator, RM pay the fines not me. I go to work, do what I am instructed to do and go home, if the place burns down I don't care. If all the vans fall apart and I have nothing to drive, I don't care.If the PDA's don't work, I don't care. If we don't reach an agreement, I don't care, lets be honest, he has torn them up so they are not worth the paper they are written on. If people deciedd to give up and cross the picket line, I don't care. I won't be joining them, I am fortunate, I can afford to strike and I am enjoying having all these days off. If we lose business because of it, guess what, I don't care.

You never said, but don't you care?

[geromethegnome]

Can someone from the union give a definite answer otherwise you will get a lot of people not risking it

surely someone reading this can ask DW when he visits the next picket line?

[Surreypostie]

Can someone from the union give a definite answer otherwise you will get a lot of people not risking it

surely someone reading this can ask DW when he visits the next picket line?

What exactly do you want Dave Ward to say???

This is the law on this subject, Dave Ward cannot say if we will be sacked or if we will not be sacked. Click the link and read the law... The Law of the land overides any agreements.

https://www.gov.uk/industrial-action-st ... ial-action

[MURPHYBROWN]

If as we are told the talks are now over, and strikes continue as planned, then it has to be an option for Thomson doesn't it ?

2 weeks away. Be nice to get some form of clarification.

[redlen]

Simon Thompson knows this and why he is running down the clock until the 23 December.

Even the RMT had to reballot its members to continue strike action

[Acca Dacca]

Simon Thompson knows this and why he is running down the clock until the 23 December.

Even the RMT had to reballot its members to continue strike action

This and reballoting are two separate issues

Reballoting is because a mandate is only live for 6 months

That’s entirely different from the 12 week thing

Why not mention that RMT members weren’t sacked after 12 weeks? Their re allot was after 12 weeks had already passed

[Halfhappy]

Simon Thompson knows this and why he is running down the clock until the 23 December.

Even the RMT had to reballot its members to continue strike action

This is disingenuous. The reballot was due to the 6mth ballot period being spent. There's only 40,000 RMT, members, 1/3 of the CWU membership, surely it would be a lot easier to sack them, it hasn't happened tho. I think it's about now you tell us how bad the CWU.

[SpacePhoenix]

Simon Thompson knows this and why he is running down the clock until the 23 December.

Even the RMT had to reballot its members to continue strike action

This is disingenuous. The reballot was due to the 6mth ballot period being spent. There's only 40,000 RMT, members, 1/3 of the CWU membership, surely it would be a lot easier to sack them, it hasn't happened tho. I think it's about now you tell us how bad the CWU.

Wouldn't be easier to sack them, it would effectively be much harder due to the time it takes to train new drivers

[cher2450]

If he sacks any postie that is on strike the 24th Dec he has to sack every postie that strikes that day otherwise its discrimination.