RMCtv : Simon 'Sick pay policy to be looked at'

[POSTMAN]

Simon 'I've got a bit of a sniffle ' Thompson

I have asked for the policy to be looked at - it is not fair that 95,000 of the team take <2 days a year off sick - and the other 35,000 take off weeks - we need everyone to take an equal workload - that said - we will always support the c800 who have had the misfortune to be on long term sick….

[claretandblue]

Simon 'I've got a bit of a sniffle ' Thompson

I have asked for the policy to be looked at - it is not fair that 95,000 of the team take <2 days a year off sick - and the other 35,000 take off weeks - we need everyone to take an equal workload - that said - we will always support the c800 who have had the misfortune to be on long term sick….

Hate to say it, but he's got a point...

[Sir Henry]

The 'WEEKS' figure is far too vague to mean anything but a nice false flag under which to pressure those they can blame for causing the business to lose money. As if the sickness procedure isn't punitive enough already

Who is it not "fair" to?
Not those 95000, unless one counts the added pressure from the screws to pick up the slack caused by the absence of the idle workshy hypochondriac 35000.
Would the 95000 get a slice of the money saved? Well obviously not but hey those 35000 workshy bastards are sitting at home being paid whilst you 95000 are being ridden into the ground, it's patently unfair for some hitherto unexplored 'reason'.

95000 people take a very defined "less than 2 days" sick absence. Heroes and Princes of Men! whose Stirling efforts are negated by those
35000 people who take a VERY SCARY BUT VERY AMORPHOUS figure of WEEKS in sick absence. Communists and Anarchists to a man obviously.

Never mind that anyone from either group could swap groups on a yearly basis going from next to no sick absence to absence of more than 10 working days as that would qualify as WEEKS.

Fuch the management.
Come the fuching revolution.

[Sir Henry]

Simon 'I've got a bit of a sniffle ' Thompson

I have asked for the policy to be looked at - it is not fair that 95,000 of the team take <2 days a year off sick - and the other 35,000 take off weeks - we need everyone to take an equal workload - that said - we will always support the c800 who have had the misfortune to be on long term sick….

Hate to say it, but he's got a point...

There we have it ladies and gents

[cobrakai]

I think the Covid chancers have a lot to answer for with the large number of weeks tbh. As soon as it was mentioned that it wasn’t a stage for covid absence without any proof the floodgates opened at our office. The poor buggers that genuinely had it got lumped in with them too on his dodgy figures.

Wait for the covid numbers to settle down now the policy has changed and I’m guessing it will be the same as pre pandemic.

I thought he would target sick leave as a condition of a pay rise. The man has no shame

[Sir Henry]

Without the dates and stats we don't know which year or years are used and how much covid affected the "result"

[Pidleypoo]

This is always the way they do this and get you to point the finger at people without knowing anything.

The reality is that to improve the sickness they, they have to improve on many other areas first.

Annual leave is such a shocking system that it lends itself to people calling in sick.

To sort the above , staffing needs to be much better.

The nature of the job often means many people have all sorts of muscoskeletal problems and that is down to poor training and h&s standards and poor equipment and the weather we work in ( I include the poor uniform in that too) .

There are obviously a small amount of people
That’ll abuse it but that doesn’t mean the sick leave policy should be ripped apart.

If the others things were fixed , there’d be a lot less sickness but as ever , this is the thin end of the wedge and people have already fallen for it.

[Sir Henry]

Nice one Pidleypoo

[iHateD2Ds]

Here we go again has the man forgot we are in a Pandemic!
Maybe if we start wearing mask in Covid Safe workplace,absences will lessen?

[Woody Guthrie]

There are some serious holes in Simon's statement.

Should you expect the same level of sick absence from someone outside in all weathers on delivery with all the potential dangers and wear and tear that you would from someone working in a mailcentre?

Would you expect someone in their 50s after 30 years of delivery to have the same absence rate as someone in their 20s just in the door?

Where does the business policy on mental health fit into this?

What about equality and diversity?

Does the business feel any responsibility for the health of its employees?

He doesn't make it clear whether he has a beef with the Attendance Agreement or the Sick Pay policy or both but cutting sick pay for the first three days would be my best guess.

The obvious problem with that blunt tool is that you end up with genuinely sick people at work spreading all kinds of diseases around, you add to the stress levels of these genuinely sick people and you put genuinely sick people in financial distress.

All because your managers can't manage the piss takers.

There is a more intelligent solution, give the staff an allocation of paid self certificated sick absence, once you've used that allocation if you want paid you need a doctor's certificate.

Let people roll it over so if you have a good year you can protect yourself against a bad year, you could make it function specific and give delivery staff a higher allowance recognising the higher risk of injury and illness. I'm sure smarter people than me could work out the wrinkles...

[claretandblue]

There are some serious holes in Simon's statement.

Should you expect the same level of sick absence from someone outside in all weathers on delivery with all the potential dangers and wear and tear that you would from someone working in a mailcentre?

Would you expect someone in their 50s after 30 years of delivery to have the same absence rate as someone in their 20s just in the door?

Where does the business policy on mental health fit into this?

What about equality and diversity?

Does the business feel any responsibility for the health of its employees?

He doesn't make it clear whether he has a beef with the Attendance Agreement or the Sick Pay policy or both but cutting sick pay for the first three days would be my best guess.

The obvious problem with that blunt tool is that you end up with genuinely sick people at work spreading all kinds of diseases around, you add to the stress levels of these genuinely sick people and you put genuinely sick people in financial distress.

All because your managers can't manage the piss takers.

There is a more intelligent solution, give the staff an allocation of paid self certificated sick absence, once you've used that allocation if you want paid you need a doctor's certificate.

Let people roll it over so if you have a good year you can protect yourself against a bad year, you could make it function specific and give delivery staff a higher allowance recognising the higher risk of injury and illness. I'm sure smarter people than me could work out the wrinkles...

In our office, it's the "just through the door in their twenties" lot that are off sick the most, they think nothing of throwing a sickie.

[claretandblue]

I think the Covid chancers have a lot to answer for with the large number of weeks tbh. As soon as it was mentioned that it wasn’t a stage for covid absence without any proof the floodgates opened at our office. The poor buggers that genuinely had it got lumped in with them too on his dodgy figures.

Wait for the covid numbers to settle down now the policy has changed and I’m guessing it will be the same as pre pandemic.

I thought he would target sick leave as a condition of a pay rise. The man has no shame

Yep, I could have named the first 10 who went off before covid was a thing.

[2yearpostie]

Well i did say (much to the dislike of most on here)

[malawihap]

I think the Covid chancers have a lot to answer for with the large number of weeks tbh. As soon as it was mentioned that it wasn’t a stage for covid absence without any proof the floodgates opened at our office. The poor buggers that genuinely had it got lumped in with them too on his dodgy figures.

Wait for the covid numbers to settle down now the policy has changed and I’m guessing it will be the same as pre pandemic.

I thought he would target sick leave as a condition of a pay rise. The man has no shame

Yep, I could have named the first 10 who went off before covid was a thing.

Exactly we all know who the players are in our offices , and so do the DOMs , in fact i confronted him on this subject, and the reply was "yes i know who they are but they are playing the system and there is nothing i can do about it" . And so we then as an officer have to cover the duty holders round while they sit at home on the sick and we have to work harder to cover them. What a reward for turning up for work .

[hans solo]

longer delivery spans = more off sick
thats why there looking at
cant wait for the work related injuries claims to go in