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Time to make a propper stand come on union

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Tman
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Re: Time to make a propper stand come on union

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shaunman wrote:
16 Sep 2022, 17:34


Thirdly, if Royal Mail do lock us out then there wouldn’t be a company and I very much doubt they would be legally allowed to do that.
Illegal eh? Have a read-


https://www.union-news.co.uk/workers-lo ... noldswick/
shaunman
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Re: Time to make a propper stand come on union

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Tman wrote:
16 Sep 2022, 19:01
shaunman wrote:
16 Sep 2022, 17:34


Thirdly, if Royal Mail do lock us out then there wouldn’t be a company and I very much doubt they would be legally allowed to do that.
Illegal eh? Have a read-


https://www.union-news.co.uk/workers-lo ... noldswick/
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-lan ... 260560.amp

Have a read

Also, not sure Royal Mail can move our work to singapore
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kazardaimenu wrote:
16 Sep 2022, 18:03
We should announce a week of IA from the day after Black Friday as a minimum. Gives everyone time to make their provisions and will hit the company right at the peak sending the entire festive period into chaos.
Don't think the Xmas period is going to be anyway near as busy this year. Packets and Tracked are already way down
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SpacePhoenix wrote:
16 Sep 2022, 19:38
kazardaimenu wrote:
16 Sep 2022, 18:03
We should announce a week of IA from the day after Black Friday as a minimum. Gives everyone time to make their provisions and will hit the company right at the peak sending the entire festive period into chaos.
Don't think the Xmas period is going to be anyway near as busy this year. Packets and Tracked are already way down
Hopefully that is down to the strikes and customers looking to use other couriers. That is exactly what we want and exactly what will make life extremely uncomfortable for Simon and Co.
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Schiff wrote:
16 Sep 2022, 19:55
SpacePhoenix wrote:
16 Sep 2022, 19:38
kazardaimenu wrote:
16 Sep 2022, 18:03
We should announce a week of IA from the day after Black Friday as a minimum. Gives everyone time to make their provisions and will hit the company right at the peak sending the entire festive period into chaos.
Don't think the Xmas period is going to be anyway near as busy this year. Packets and Tracked are already way down
Hopefully that is down to the strikes and customers looking to use other couriers. That is exactly what we want and exactly what will make life extremely uncomfortable for Simon and Co.
I've heard (don't know if true but my gut feeling is that it is true) that RM has already lost some big contracts
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shaunman wrote:
16 Sep 2022, 19:14

Have a read

Also, not sure Royal Mail can move our work to singapore
Very witty I'm sure, but the point was refuting your claim of lockouts possibly being illegal.
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for fecks sake ward/pullinger ballot us for an option for overtime ban!
if they do this we know exactly where the workers stand and if it's worth losing pay for because overtime is still rife at ours, those that want it are even better off than before we lose any strike money :arrrghhh :arrrghhh :arrrghhh :arrrghhh
JUST BALLOT US FFS! because we know what keeps them running but the MORONS at cwu are too scared of the narrow results whilst we suffer even more
don't they realise this would be the death of the cwu in rm the way it's going, simple & co are laughing their heads off at us
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world class male wrote:
16 Sep 2022, 22:09
for fecks sake ward/pullinger ballot us for an option for overtime ban!
if they do this we know exactly where the workers stand and if it's worth losing pay for because overtime is still rife at ours, those that want it are even better off than before we lose any strike money :arrrghhh :arrrghhh :arrrghhh :arrrghhh
JUST BALLOT US FFS! because we know what keeps them running but the MORONS at cwu are too scared of the narrow results whilst we suffer even more
don't they realise this would be the death of the cwu in rm the way it's going, simple & co are laughing their heads off at us
You do realise an ot ban will never work especially now in a cost of living crisis ffs. people are really struggling an finding it even tougher with a strike maybe your different an can afford to keep on striking for ever..an ile just repeat i will NEVER cross a picket line.
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aiden01 wrote:
16 Sep 2022, 22:33
world class male wrote:
16 Sep 2022, 22:09
for fecks sake ward/pullinger ballot us for an option for overtime ban!
if they do this we know exactly where the workers stand and if it's worth losing pay for because overtime is still rife at ours, those that want it are even better off than before we lose any strike money :arrrghhh :arrrghhh :arrrghhh :arrrghhh
JUST BALLOT US FFS! because we know what keeps them running but the MORONS at cwu are too scared of the narrow results whilst we suffer even more
don't they realise this would be the death of the cwu in rm the way it's going, simple & co are laughing their heads off at us
You do realise an ot ban will never work especially now in a cost of living crisis ffs. people are really struggling an finding it even tougher with a strike maybe your different an can afford to keep on striking for ever..an ile just repeat i will NEVER cross a picket line.
Yeah I'm struggling just had a huge vets bill but I still think we should be balloted for ot ban.we should have that option regardless.And I still do zero overtime as it is now because of IA and I'm very lazy.
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We don't need a backlog of mail but the people who send stuff to change who they do business with most of these business are parcel related which we make money on. And will see us as unreliable it is not us but greed from above and an agender for change of OWNERSHIP!
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aiden01 wrote:
16 Sep 2022, 22:33
world class male wrote:
16 Sep 2022, 22:09
for fecks sake ward/pullinger ballot us for an option for overtime ban!
if they do this we know exactly where the workers stand and if it's worth losing pay for because overtime is still rife at ours, those that want it are even better off than before we lose any strike money :arrrghhh :arrrghhh :arrrghhh :arrrghhh
JUST BALLOT US FFS! because we know what keeps them running but the MORONS at cwu are too scared of the narrow results whilst we suffer even more
don't they realise this would be the death of the cwu in rm the way it's going, simple & co are laughing their heads off at us
You do realise an ot ban will never work especially now in a cost of living crisis ffs. people are really struggling an finding it even tougher with a strike maybe your different an can afford to keep on striking for ever..an ile just repeat i will NEVER cross a picket line.
i think you misunderstand the "hits" taken, every single working class person no matter what industry is will be hit, we're all suffering the price war, this is a UK hit not rm,
the CWU's objective is to obtain the best deal they can muster up on our behalf yes?
if we were allowed legally to do our minimum as per contract, no more no less then not a single person loses any contacted hours income :arrrghhh
now if some actually rely on unplanned random income, then that's a different argument that bares no relevance to any current dispute.

all i'm saying is that we should be able to do our bare minimum at all times which will hit RM harder than us all losing money, but this requires a ballot to which uncle terry won't do because he knows it will be a very close call, folk at ours ft & pt still doing 70/80 hrs so absolutely zero effect when those are losing 100s on strike days
how hard is it to understand that a legal balloted overtime will lose it's members ABSOLUTLEY ZERO basic PAY apart from those that are living beyond their means reliant on overtime even before the dispute...all our bills go up the same regardless
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Re: Time to make a propper stand come on union

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k979aaa wrote:
17 Sep 2022, 15:47
We don't need a backlog of mail but the people who send stuff to change who they do business with most of these business are parcel related which we make money on. And will see us as unreliable it is not us but greed from above and an agender for change of OWNERSHIP!
Look out turkeys, Christmas is coming....
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world class male wrote:
17 Sep 2022, 17:56
aiden01 wrote:
16 Sep 2022, 22:33
world class male wrote:
16 Sep 2022, 22:09
for fecks sake ward/pullinger ballot us for an option for overtime ban!
if they do this we know exactly where the workers stand and if it's worth losing pay for because overtime is still rife at ours, those that want it are even better off than before we lose any strike money :arrrghhh :arrrghhh :arrrghhh :arrrghhh
JUST BALLOT US FFS! because we know what keeps them running but the MORONS at cwu are too scared of the narrow results whilst we suffer even more
don't they realise this would be the death of the cwu in rm the way it's going, simple & co are laughing their heads off at us
You do realise an ot ban will never work especially now in a cost of living crisis ffs. people are really struggling an finding it even tougher with a strike maybe your different an can afford to keep on striking for ever..an ile just repeat i will NEVER cross a picket line.
i think you misunderstand the "hits" taken, every single working class person no matter what industry is will be hit, we're all suffering the price war, this is a UK hit not rm,
the CWU's objective is to obtain the best deal they can muster up on our behalf yes?
if we were allowed legally to do our minimum as per contract, no more no less then not a single person loses any contacted hours income :arrrghhh
now if some actually rely on unplanned random income, then that's a different argument that bares no relevance to any current dispute.

all i'm saying is that we should be able to do our bare minimum at all times which will hit RM harder than us all losing money, but this requires a ballot to which uncle terry won't do because he knows it will be a very close call, folk at ours ft & pt still doing 70/80 hrs so absolutely zero effect when those are losing 100s on strike days
how hard is it to understand that a legal balloted overtime will lose it's members ABSOLUTLEY ZERO basic PAY apart from those that are living beyond their means reliant on overtime even before the dispute...all our bills go up the same regardless
Ot is not mandatory think again ffs who can pull you up for doing your contracted hours.
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Post by aiden01 »

world class male wrote:
17 Sep 2022, 17:56
aiden01 wrote:
16 Sep 2022, 22:33
world class male wrote:
16 Sep 2022, 22:09
for fecks sake ward/pullinger ballot us for an option for overtime ban!
if they do this we know exactly where the workers stand and if it's worth losing pay for because overtime is still rife at ours, those that want it are even better off than before we lose any strike money :arrrghhh :arrrghhh :arrrghhh :arrrghhh
JUST BALLOT US FFS! because we know what keeps them running but the MORONS at cwu are too scared of the narrow results whilst we suffer even more
don't they realise this would be the death of the cwu in rm the way it's going, simple & co are laughing their heads off at us
You do realise an ot ban will never work especially now in a cost of living crisis ffs. people are really struggling an finding it even tougher with a strike maybe your different an can afford to keep on striking for ever..an ile just repeat i will NEVER cross a picket line.
i think you misunderstand the "hits" taken, every single working class person no matter what industry is will be hit, we're all suffering the price war, this is a UK hit not rm,
the CWU's objective is to obtain the best deal they can muster up on our behalf yes?
if we were allowed legally to do our minimum as per contract, no more no less then not a single person loses any contacted hours income :arrrghhh
now if some actually rely on unplanned random income, then that's a different argument that bares no relevance to any current dispute.

all i'm saying is that we should be able to do our bare minimum at all times which will hit RM harder than us all losing money, but this requires a ballot to which uncle terry won't do because he knows it will be a very close call, folk at ours ft & pt still doing 70/80 hrs so absolutely zero effect when those are losing 100s on strike days
how hard is it to understand that a legal balloted overtime will lose it's members ABSOLUTLEY ZERO basic PAY apart from those that are living beyond their means reliant on overtime even before the dispute...all our bills go up the same regardless
Re-reading your post most of it is lost me.
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Ot is not mandatory think again ffs who can pull you up for doing your contracted hours.
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50 posties in 1 office who all used to do regular overtime every single day but then in dispute and refuse is considered unofficial industrial action to which the cwu could get fined! they have very clever lawyers when we have zero