LTB 220/23 - ORGANISING AND RECRUITMENT - BUILDING THE UNION - NEW STARTERS T&C'S

[CRIBMAD]

NEVER MIND THE NEW STARTS - look after your long serving members you c***s

[LouBarlow]

NEVER MIND THE NEW STARTS - look after your long serving members you c***s

What happens when all the long serving members leave/retire and you have ignored new starters? Engage your brain for once.

[postslippete]

NEVER MIND THE NEW STARTS - look after your long serving members you c***s

Aye, what about the part-timers in our office who are still on part-time contracts but have been basically working full-time due to overtime, and still don't have a full-time contract? The Union haven't levelled them up for years because it suits RM to reduce their costs. What about ensuring that our revisions are being revised so that certain duties are not consistently failing the mail for months on end? What about looking after those reps and members that have been suspended?

[postslippete]

LTB 220/23 b. Rent-seekers seek rent.

Please support our rent-seeker lifestyles as we pretend to solve the problems we created for you.

How are the union responsible for declining mail volumes and Royal Mail failing as a business? You could argue that more should have been done to prevent privatisation I guess, but that was inevitable.

The CWU need to go a lot further than just try and attract new entrants from Royal Mail to their Union. RM is being battered by downward pressure on pay and conditions from the rest of the parcel delivery sector that are on minimum wage with no sick pay, annual leave, holiday pay etc etc. Having us on fairly decent pay and conditions while Amazon, Evri, Yodel etc are being routinely exploited is not sustainable.

Either our conditions continue to deteriorate OR conditions in the rest of the sector improve.

Why have the CWU not had any success in the rest of the delivery sector? They are either short-sighted or incompetent but ultimately it's down to Union leadership and its failure to organise. It means that workers across the parcel delivery sector are now split between Unions who have been more pro-active. GMB and Unite now have a presence in the parcel delivery sector, and as ever, these Unions don't collaborate!! Why do I think that is? Honestly, from what I've seen of this Union from branch level upwards is that it is basically self-interested and self-satisfying. Dave Ward and his chums continue to pick up our sub money and they don't want to change their lifestyles for the greater good of the workers......

And the fact is, they lack the industrial strength to drive up conditions themselves. GMB's agreement with Evri actually validates the use of self-employed labour. The reality is that the CWU needs to organise and it needs to diversify otherwise it will cease to exist. The RM agreement is a reflection of that reality.

[richj2009]

NEVER MIND THE NEW STARTS - look after your long serving members you c***s

Why is amazon always used as an example. They deliver their own stuff and dump it on us when it suits. Secondly the jobs are uncomparable as they only deal with parcels. The Rico back pandemic idea of only packets on a sat was a total breeze. This will obviously add more mileage to a saturday and in true royal mail form become even more unachievable as all duties have.

[postslippete]

NEVER MIND THE NEW STARTS - look after your long serving members you c***s

Why is amazon always used as an example. They deliver their own stuff and dump it on us when it suits. Secondly the jobs are uncomparable as they only deal with parcels. The Rico back pandemic idea of only packets on a sat was a total breeze. This will obviously add more mileage to a saturday and in true royal mail form become even more unachievable as all duties have.

Hopefully Royal Mail will start charging Amazon a premium for picking up the tab. I know they used Evri when we on strike and this was the result


https://www.eveningnews24.co.uk/news/23 ... christmas/

[ted_e_bear]

NEVER MIND THE NEW STARTS - look after your long serving members you c***s

Why is amazon always used as an example. They deliver their own stuff and dump it on us when it suits. Secondly the jobs are uncomparable as they only deal with parcels. The Rico back pandemic idea of only packets on a sat was a total breeze. This will obviously add more mileage to a saturday and in true royal mail form become even more unachievable as all duties have.

Hopefully Royal Mail will start charging Amazon a premium for picking up the tab. I know they used Evri when we on strike and this was the result


https://www.eveningnews24.co.uk/news/23 ... christmas/

I wouldn't be surprised if they give them a big discount despite it costing more to deliver if we get overwhelmed, like the lats that get done on overtime can't see that they're making any profit.

[LouBarlow]

LTB 220/23 b. Rent-seekers seek rent.

Please support our rent-seeker lifestyles as we pretend to solve the problems we created for you.

How are the union responsible for declining mail volumes and Royal Mail failing as a business? You could argue that more should have been done to prevent privatisation I guess, but that was inevitable.

The CWU need to go a lot further than just try and attract new entrants from Royal Mail to their Union. RM is being battered by downward pressure on pay and conditions from the rest of the parcel delivery sector that are on minimum wage with no sick pay, annual leave, holiday pay etc etc. Having us on fairly decent pay and conditions while Amazon, Evri, Yodel etc are being routinely exploited is not sustainable.

Either our conditions continue to deteriorate OR conditions in the rest of the sector improve.

Why have the CWU not had any success in the rest of the delivery sector? They are either short-sighted or incompetent but ultimately it's down to Union leadership and its failure to organise. It means that workers across the parcel delivery sector are now split between Unions who have been more pro-active. GMB and Unite now have a presence in the parcel delivery sector, and as ever, these Unions don't collaborate!! Why do I think that is? Honestly, from what I've seen of this Union from branch level upwards is that it is basically self-interested and self-satisfying. Dave Ward and his chums continue to pick up our sub money and they don't want to change their lifestyles for the greater good of the workers......

And the fact is, they lack the industrial strength to drive up conditions themselves. GMB's agreement with Evri actually validates the use of self-employed labour. The reality is that the CWU needs to organise and it needs to diversify otherwise it will cease to exist. The RM agreement is a reflection of that reality.

This is all very well and good, but you fail to take into account that Royal Mail is a failing business, unlike the competitors you refer to. That fact alone means the agreement the CWU secured was nothing less than miraculous. Unfortunately, people are still operating with the mentality of us being a service industry - we are not. We are now a business that relies on making profit over anything else, and considering we are making record financial losses, things need to change as has long been accepted by union leaders, and hence why our T&Cs were compromised in the agreement.

I get it, some people on here would rather see the company go up in flames, even if it puts them out of a job, but the union realise that compromise is necessary for the company to even continue functioning. It is a shame that there are still members who fail to comprehend this.

[dazzler123]

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This is all very well and good, but you fail to take into account that Royal Mail is a failing business, unlike the competitors you refer to. That fact alone means the agreement the CWU secured was nothing less than miraculous. Unfortunately, people are still operating with the mentality of us being a service industry - we are not. We are now a business that relies on making profit over anything else, and considering we are making record financial losses, things need to change as has long been accepted by union leaders, and hence why our T&Cs were compromised in the agreement.

I get it, some people on here would rather see the company go up in flames, even if it puts them out of a job, but the union realise that compromise is necessary for the company to even continue functioning. It is a shame that there are still members who fail to comprehend this.
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why would a failing business give huge payrises and bonuses to managers, while poking sticks in the face of their workforce?

[postslippete]

This is all very well and good, but you fail to take into account that Royal Mail is a failing business, unlike the competitors you refer to. That fact alone means the agreement the CWU secured was nothing less than miraculous. Unfortunately, people are still operating with the mentality of us being a service industry - we are not. We are now a business that relies on making profit over anything else, and considering we are making record financial losses, things need to change as has long been accepted by union leaders, and hence why our T&Cs were compromised in the agreement.

I get it, some people on here would rather see the company go up in flames, even if it puts them out of a job, but the union realise that compromise is necessary for the company to even continue functioning. It is a shame that there are still members who fail to comprehend this.

A failing business? Every postie and his dog knows that it made record profits during the pandemic. Last year before any IA, shareholders received £400 million.

The company going up in flames? The billion pound loss this year doesn't take into account that the adjusted operating loss across the group was 'just' £71 million for 2022-23. Impairment charges not related to the daily operations of Royal Mail have made this unadjusted headline figure look massively worse and the fact that IDS choose not to cross-subsidise from GLS to Royal Mail is a deliberate decision to make the USO look financially unviable.

The mentality of us being a service industry? This is still an important public service that Royal Mail management want to completely scrap. It's not difficult to see why as it will mean the closures of hundreds of Royal Mail delivery offices and job losses on an industrial scale. Have the Union conveniently forgotten that they called us the 4th emergency service during the pandemic and that we were doing back breaking work delivering NHS letters and covid kits, putting our own health and safety in danger whilst people were sat at home relying on us to deliver their bog rolls and anything else they wanted delivering online?

Record financial losses? As I've said many times, RM senior management continue to earn significant bonuses throughout this confected financial crisis and IDS are sitting on retained earnings of £3.8 billion and liquidity of £1.7 billion. Put simply, there is money there. The changes will happen anyway so that Royal Mail can make greater profits in future.


In all honesty the only thing that is more likely to stop functioning unless it changes is the CWU. it's just a ticking time bomb. Thousands of members have already left the CWU and I can't understand why any new recruit would want to join a Union that is more or less complicit with everything that Royal Mail are doing. The damage is already done, and as an additional point, BT earlier in the year also announced cuts of around 55,000 jobs. There needs to be a big re-organisation and shake up of the CWU as a Union otherwise it will cease to exist in the future.

[Wigglypark]

Sounds like the wheels may be coming off the gravy train and now the union need a new bunch of members to pay for their perks before they sell them down the river like they did with the long standing loyal members

LTB 220/23 - ORGANISING AND RECRUITMENT - BUILDING THE UNION
No: 220/23

23rd August 2023

TO: ALL POSTAL BRANCHES
Dear Colleague

ORGANISING AND RECRUITMENT – BUILDING THE UNION

Attached to this LTB is a letter we would ask you to use to engage every new entrant. It is crucial that we ensure every new employee joins the CWU.

The letter should be handed to new entrants, but CWU representatives should also use the arguments within it to encourage employees to join the union face to face as well.

We fully understand the pressure local branches are under at this point in time, but we need this work to be a priority in order to maintain our traditional workplace strength.

Alongside the above activity, Branches will be provided with as much information as possible from the postal department to:

Assist you in producing Branch plans to recruit new entrants.
Provide recruitment materials and joining forms (if needed).
Ensure that recruitment is an agenda item at every branch, regional and divisional meeting.
Map all workplaces.
Nationally we will be supporting this with a full communications plan. We will also be developing messaging to target long term employees who are not at this juncture members of the CWU. We will also be working on materials for business units and grades across Royal Mail Group.

All this work is an immediate intervention aimed at recruiting new entrants and building membership density across Royal Mail Group.

Additionally, the NEC and our Industrial Executives are urgently reviewing our overall recruitment strategy considering the impact of the pandemic, GROW campaign and industry defining disputes. Branches will have the opportunity to input into this review.

Thank you for your ongoing support.

Yours sincerely



Dave Ward Andy Furey
General Secretary A/Deputy General Secretary (Postal)

[dazzler123]

First and foremost, we’ll fight for you on pay, terms and conditions in the workplace.

is this a windup?

[markyRFC]

First and foremost, we’ll fight for you on pay, terms and conditions in the workplace.

is this a windup?

exactly, they the CWU will just sell them to save face

[enskied]

The CWU have never looked after me . The mantra was always looking after full time workers. Well that's gone to s**t as we part timers always said .

f**k it you are not getting a Penny from me for your neglect.

[sweepster70]

The small minority are talking s**t again. Believing something is happening that's not.