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Strike dates?
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Numberone63
- EX ROYAL MAIL
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Re: Strike dates?
Don’t call me Shirley.
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Kenfandango
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Re: Strike dates?
Everyone uses "they wrote off Christmas" as a phrase without the addendum "for the second year running."
No real point to my post, other than to remind people that RM failed Christmas '21 even harder than '22, the list of failed offices from that time is still available... If anything the strikes gave them a better excuse
No real point to my post, other than to remind people that RM failed Christmas '21 even harder than '22, the list of failed offices from that time is still available... If anything the strikes gave them a better excuse
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postslippete
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Re: Strike dates?
clashcityrocker wrote: ↑21 Feb 2023, 15:30Is the question - are there rumours? There are always rumours.
We are going into administration.
Kretinsky is going to buy the company.
Simon has been abducted by aliens.
And others that are plain silly.
There are always rumours Clash. Take a look at some of these
Working 9 to 5 on delivery
Owner drivers
10,000 compulsory redundancies
Commit to deliver
Annualised hours
Compulsory Sunday working
Some of them seem a bit silly right now
On the face of it, shareholder value is the dumbest idea in the world.
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POSTPERSON50
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Re: Strike dates?
As far as I'm concerned, absolutely nothing in this dispute will have been a surprise to Royal Mail. Nothing.Kenfandango wrote: ↑21 Feb 2023, 18:31Everyone uses "they wrote off Christmas" as a phrase without the addendum "for the second year running."
No real point to my post, other than to remind people that RM failed Christmas '21 even harder than '22, the list of failed offices from that time is still available... If anything the strikes gave them a better excuse
All our focus has been on getting rid of Thompson but he has just done what he was told to do. Revamp the business, fk the union, fk the terms and conditions.
It is truly a race to the bottom and they don't care how we get there.
Staff in my unit celebrating like it's over because we got a near 96% yes vote, but I'm telling you, we are no further forward in achieving an acceptable resolution. Months have slowly passed and the members are appeased for now because we're getting a full wage.
Nothing has changed.
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Chitchat
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Re: Strike dates?
I think it's really a case of who can hold out longer the staff or royal mail? Royalmail can't keep making a loss, it can't keep writing off Christmases, it can't keep going back to share holders reporting a loss, it can't keep writing off strike days and the damage they have. At some point if the staff continue to hold firm then royalmail will have no choice but to get a deal done.POSTPERSON50 wrote: ↑21 Feb 2023, 19:16As far as I'm concerned, absolutely nothing in this dispute will have been a surprise to Royal Mail. Nothing.Kenfandango wrote: ↑21 Feb 2023, 18:31Everyone uses "they wrote off Christmas" as a phrase without the addendum "for the second year running."
No real point to my post, other than to remind people that RM failed Christmas '21 even harder than '22, the list of failed offices from that time is still available... If anything the strikes gave them a better excuse
All our focus has been on getting rid of Thompson but he has just done what he was told to do. Revamp the business, fk the union, fk the terms and conditions.
It is truly a race to the bottom and they don't care how we get there.
Staff in my unit celebrating like it's over because we got a near 96% yes vote, but I'm telling you, we are no further forward in achieving an acceptable resolution. Months have slowly passed and the members are appeased for now because we're getting a full wage.
Nothing has changed.
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Eduardo
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- Gender: Male
Re: Strike dates?
I wonder what was said in the boardroom between ST and the crew, something maybe like the following:
"Don't worry, all we have to do is hold firm through Christmas and the Union will be finished, I realise we'll lose some money but in the long term it will be worth it to have a Union with no teeth anymore, trust me, all we have to do is hold firm until next year"
Something like that maybe.
"Don't worry, all we have to do is hold firm through Christmas and the Union will be finished, I realise we'll lose some money but in the long term it will be worth it to have a Union with no teeth anymore, trust me, all we have to do is hold firm until next year"
Something like that maybe.
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rambo1
- EX ROYAL MAIL
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Re: Strike dates?
You think? Probably easier for those at the top to find new jobs. They'll just migrate to another unsuspecting company whose business they know nothing about.Chitchat wrote: ↑21 Feb 2023, 19:37I think it's really a case of who can hold out longer the staff or royal mail? Royalmail can't keep making a loss, it can't keep writing off Christmases, it can't keep going back to share holders reporting a loss, it can't keep writing off strike days and the damage they have. At some point if the staff continue to hold firm then royalmail will have no choice but to get a deal done.POSTPERSON50 wrote: ↑21 Feb 2023, 19:16As far as I'm concerned, absolutely nothing in this dispute will have been a surprise to Royal Mail. Nothing.Kenfandango wrote: ↑21 Feb 2023, 18:31Everyone uses "they wrote off Christmas" as a phrase without the addendum "for the second year running."
No real point to my post, other than to remind people that RM failed Christmas '21 even harder than '22, the list of failed offices from that time is still available... If anything the strikes gave them a better excuse
All our focus has been on getting rid of Thompson but he has just done what he was told to do. Revamp the business, fk the union, fk the terms and conditions.
It is truly a race to the bottom and they don't care how we get there.
Staff in my unit celebrating like it's over because we got a near 96% yes vote, but I'm telling you, we are no further forward in achieving an acceptable resolution. Months have slowly passed and the members are appeased for now because we're getting a full wage.
Nothing has changed.
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wandle
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- Gender: Male
Re: Strike dates?
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Seymour Buts
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Re: Strike dates?
Is the chasm that big? I'm not sure. A back dated pay deal of 9% over 18 months and guarentee of no compulsory redundancies probably goes some way towards securing an agreement.POSTPERSON50 wrote: ↑21 Feb 2023, 14:22Seymour Buts wrote: ↑20 Feb 2023, 23:02Ward was on LBC the night of the result being announced, sounding fairly pragmatic. Admitted the company was in a tough position, due to the current economic climate and the dire financial state of Royal Mail. Strike action should always be the last resort, bare in mind. Added to that the fact the union claimed winning the ballot secures a deal. Time needs to be given if there is any chance of an agreement.
Will any amount of time bridge the chasm between both sides though?
When the gap is so huge, there is no middle ground to be found.
There will need to be a major climbdown from one or the other sides.
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robking
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Re: Strike dates?
Yes a compromise on both sides, 9% over 18 months, it's less than inflation but it's something, No compulsory redundancies, shouldn't be a problem VR terms have been reduced but people are still taking it.Seymour Buts wrote: ↑22 Feb 2023, 17:05Is the chasm that big? I'm not sure. A back dated pay deal of 9% over 18 months and guarentee of no compulsory redundancies probably goes some way towards securing an agreement.POSTPERSON50 wrote: ↑21 Feb 2023, 14:22Seymour Buts wrote: ↑20 Feb 2023, 23:02Ward was on LBC the night of the result being announced, sounding fairly pragmatic. Admitted the company was in a tough position, due to the current economic climate and the dire financial state of Royal Mail. Strike action should always be the last resort, bare in mind. Added to that the fact the union claimed winning the ballot secures a deal. Time needs to be given if there is any chance of an agreement.
Will any amount of time bridge the chasm between both sides though?
When the gap is so huge, there is no middle ground to be found.
There will need to be a major climbdown from one or the other sides.
Sunday working? Yes but volunteers and newbies only, later starts? No more than half an hour, Sick absence toughened up? well yes because, let's face it we all know people who take the mick, but don't let it hurt genuine cases.
If IDS or whatever is really actually losing money, action needs be taken but when times get better, no more special dividends and share buybacks, modest dividends when times are good and conserve surplus cash for when it's no so good.
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clashcityrocker
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Re: Strike dates?
According to an unreliable source there will be a joint statement on Friday or Monday.
The societies of consumption and squandering of material resources are incompatible with the idea of economic growth and a clean planet.
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BenacreNick
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Re: Strike dates?
I think we've come too far to get 9% over 18 months.
That is not acceptable.
The unemployed got a 10.1% rise.
I think they can go further.
That is not acceptable.
The unemployed got a 10.1% rise.
I think they can go further.
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sindba
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Re: Strike dates?
You can't "toughen up" sick rules without hurting genuine cases. That's the bloody point.robking wrote: ↑22 Feb 2023, 17:30Sunday working? Yes but volunteers and newbies only, later starts? No more than half an hour, Sick absence toughened up? well yes because, let's face it we all know people who take the mick, but don't let it hurt genuine cases.Seymour Buts wrote: ↑22 Feb 2023, 17:05Is the chasm that big? I'm not sure. A back dated pay deal of 9% over 18 months and guarentee of no compulsory redundancies probably goes some way towards securing an agreement.POSTPERSON50 wrote: ↑21 Feb 2023, 14:22Seymour Buts wrote: ↑20 Feb 2023, 23:02Ward was on LBC the night of the result being announced, sounding fairly pragmatic. Admitted the company was in a tough position, due to the current economic climate and the dire financial state of Royal Mail. Strike action should always be the last resort, bare in mind. Added to that the fact the union claimed winning the ballot secures a deal. Time needs to be given if there is any chance of an agreement.
Will any amount of time bridge the chasm between both sides though?
When the gap is so huge, there is no middle ground to be found.
There will need to be a major climbdown from one or the other sides.
And why should the Union throw its new members under the bus re Sundays? Shouldn't it represent us all?
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aiden01
- MAIL CENTRES/PROCESSING
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Re: Strike dates?
I hear its tomoroclashcityrocker wrote: ↑22 Feb 2023, 18:38According to an unreliable source there will be a joint statement on Friday or Monday.