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LTB 081/24 - Royal Mail & CWU Joint Communication Regarding Delivery 2.0 Trials

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Re: LTB 081/24 - Royal Mail & CWU Joint Communication Regarding Delivery 2.0 Trials

Post by enskied »

guardianangel wrote:
27 Feb 2024, 17:33
Geo route has never worked properly and the pec are endorsing it,another union betrayal, there is only one way to do this and thats for planners and bosses to get off their ass and walk the walk,how the hell any of those planners have still got a job i will never know they must have cost royal mail millions, the one who comes to our office has had a bash at it 4 times now and every time it gets worse,he comes in the office trying to save a minute on indoor work when we are losing hours on the outdoor . Sometimes i despair with the whole lot of the doughnuts.
Planners will be gone in two years, AI will have their jobs, so they may have to get dressed in the morning and get a real job..like posting.
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Post by rubberbond »

They waste so much money on stupid projects, no wonder the business is circling the plug hole. Why do we put up with this reinventing the wheel nonsense, all their stupid ideas ever mean is more work for the poor sod trudging the street. In the pantheon of stupid ideas this gets close to automatic redelivery and consumer collect , and the granddaddy of all has to be park and loop, it’s a tough ask sorting through their moronic ideas to find the worst of the worst ,because they have so many but this must be the crowning turd in the water pipe to quote General Melchett.
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Re: LTB 081/24 - Royal Mail & CWU Joint Communication Regarding Delivery 2.0 Trials

Post by Pidleypoo »

Anyone that has done this job for more than 5 minutes know that “delivery 2.0” absolutely will not happen because it has so many problems from the off.

We have the stupidest people running this company.
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Re: LTB 081/24 - Royal Mail & CWU Joint Communication Regarding Delivery 2.0 Trials

Post by kazardaimenu »

I would love to see delivery 2.0 in action for a week.
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Re: LTB 081/24 - Royal Mail & CWU Joint Communication Regarding Delivery 2.0 Trials

Post by TheTrolleyMan »

Don’t worry RM Mark Baulch will agree to anything you want !
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Re: LTB 081/24 - Royal Mail & CWU Joint Communication Regarding Delivery 2.0 Trials

Post by SpacePhoenix »

postslippete wrote:
27 Feb 2024, 16:12
jessicarabbit wrote:
27 Feb 2024, 13:19
Apparently we waste too much time queuing for keys and PDA so we will employ a line of 12 agency staff to form a human chain to get the keys and PDAs to the frames. You may have a seen a trial of this concept on panorama last night

You couldn't make this up!

Are you sure it is entirely due to this? Considering that the company have already reduced the caller's office hours, maybe it's a way of getting rid of the indoor staff who allocate the Specials and keys to the drivers. It would obviously be far easier for us to go and pick them up from the locker room as many of these 'Specials' are just Tracked items anyway.
The foreign specials only went back to going through the SD lockers as DOs kept failing to scan them. It was costing RM too much money.
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Re: LTB 081/24 - Royal Mail & CWU Joint Communication Regarding Delivery 2.0 Trials

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The lack of discrete frames would surely mean dynamically generated duties which then verges into the realm of eliminating seniority as there will be nothing fixed to sign for.
The machine stops.
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Re: LTB 081/24 - Royal Mail & CWU Joint Communication Regarding Delivery 2.0 Trials

Post by ted_e_bear »

Mr Rush wrote:
27 Feb 2024, 19:37
The lack of discrete frames would surely mean dynamically generated duties which then verges into the realm of eliminating seniority as there will be nothing fixed to sign for.
Not to mention the amount of work allocated that "the computer" says should be appropriate for the days traffic levels, it's got f***ing disaster written all over it.
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Re: LTB 081/24 - Royal Mail & CWU Joint Communication Regarding Delivery 2.0 Trials

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Sounds like the perfect recipe for cutting off every day as you won't know how long it will take you to do.
CUT OFF!!!
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Re: LTB 081/24 - Royal Mail & CWU Joint Communication Regarding Delivery 2.0 Trials

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Mr Rush wrote:
27 Feb 2024, 19:37
The lack of discrete frames would surely mean dynamically generated duties which then verges into the realm of eliminating seniority as there will be nothing fixed to sign for.
Seniority has already gone Mr Rush.
Their duties have been absorbed and they now find themselves picking the bones of the office.
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Re: LTB 081/24 - Royal Mail & CWU Joint Communication Regarding Delivery 2.0 Trials

Post by Ren Hoëk »

I can offer some insight into Ringwood (delivery 2.0).

Duties will be designed to geographically flow into the next and organised around the office as such. Wings will be removed to essentially create one long frame.
There will still be separate duties that people can sign for.
All frames will be double slotted.
The majority of duties will return to paired duties.
All loops will be designed as 40 minute loops and as such demand the use of a LWT. The reasoning being to cut the amount of time spent back at the van.
You will prep from top to bottom, left to right. In that order. Apparently this makes it more ergonomic to prep and easier to then absorb into the adjacent frame if mail volumes demand it.
There will still be a central IPS that flats/loose mail will be prepped into.
Full geo route revisions will take place.


IMO this will just create even bigger duties on top of the ones we already cant complete.
Double slotting everything will take longer to prep.
Creating huge duties will take more time to prep.
Creating huge loops will slow posties down having to drag around large amounts of mail. At high volume times these loops will have to be cut down anyway as you wont be able to physically fit them into the bags.
QofS will be further impacted by unachievable duties.
It will create further strain on relationships between managers and OPGs due to having to cut off and have daily conversations on what you cant do.

All in all Its been thought up by people who don't do the job, have no interest in actually delivering QofS and just another way to kill off letters and reduce staff numbers.

Just highlighting yet again what a shocking agreement the BRTG is. Couple this with what is essentially turning into annualised hours and the punitive nature of the new sick policy. Deliveries have been well and truly shafted. Id tear it up, head back out on strike and put it all on the line. Im looking to leave anyway because of it so id rather die on my feet and take the company with me at this point.
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Re: LTB 081/24 - Royal Mail & CWU Joint Communication Regarding Delivery 2.0 Trials

Post by Dorset Plodder »

Ren Hoëk wrote:
28 Feb 2024, 08:21
I can offer some insight into Ringwood (delivery 2.0).

Thanks for the insight RH. I know it's been a Clusterfuck but you've summed it up well. :cuppa
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Re: LTB 081/24 - Royal Mail & CWU Joint Communication Regarding Delivery 2.0 Trials

Post by Dorset Plodder »

jessicarabbit wrote:
27 Feb 2024, 13:19
Apparently we waste too much time queuing for keys and PDA so we will employ a line of 12 agency staff to form a human chain to get the keys and PDAs to the frames. You may have a seen a trial of this concept on panorama last night

You couldn't make this up!
:left:
Very Good JR :Applause Just WTF was going on there? Anyone know? And they get on OUR backs for not being efficient! :thumbdown

Sounds like the begining of a joke, "How many Agency Staff does it take to move a Yorke....."? :cuppa
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Re: LTB 081/24 - Royal Mail & CWU Joint Communication Regarding Delivery 2.0 Trials

Post by TopperGas »

Double spotted frames are a nightmare for D2D's as there seems no set way of delivering them, so when covering somebody's rest day etc you've no idea which properties haven't had them already.

As somebody else posted it sounds like dynamic duties, which will expand and shrink depending on the days incoming mail.
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Re: LTB 081/24 - Royal Mail & CWU Joint Communication Regarding Delivery 2.0 Trials

Post by Grinder64 »

TopperGas wrote:
28 Feb 2024, 09:59
Double spotted frames are a nightmare for D2D's as there seems no set way of delivering them, so when covering somebody's rest day etc you've no idea which properties haven't had them already.
As I never work my rest day I've consistently raised this nugget for years with various grades of screw, not one of them has returned with a concise answer which addresses the issue; normally it's a shrug of the shoulders or "I'll get back to you..." :hmmmm
The higher up the ladder that these clowns climb then the lack of oxygen seems to affect their ability to enable common sense.
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