CWU : To all CWU members (Royal Mail Group)

[Halfhappy]

To me it's clear that strikes have had a massive impact, and the threat of more is what has brought the CEO to be the only party making any concessions. The CWU have only said they'd hold off strikes, which I think they wouldn't have the time to serve notice for anyway, whilst also continuing to push for a further ballot. For me a return to a joint collaboration, with the cwu, over revisions, returning to previous agreements and framework, at a local level, is a hell of big step backward for RM, considering they've been announcing God knows how many redundancies, and duties cuts, through EA. I haven't had a look at the posts on other threads yet, but I imagine it's gonna be a load of hate and disappointment. Clearly something has been going on this last week, and clearly strikes are having an impact. I can only see this as a positive step.

[aiden01]

To me it's clear that strikes have had a massive impact, and the threat of more is what has brought the CEO to be the only party making any concessions. The CWU have only said they'd hold off strikes, which I think they wouldn't have the time to serve notice for anyway, whilst also continuing to push for a further ballot. For me a return to a joint collaboration, with the cwu, over revisions, returning to previous agreements and framework, at a local level, is a hell of big step backward for RM, considering they've been announcing God knows how many redundancies, and duties cuts, through EA. I haven't had a look at the posts on other threads yet, but I imagine it's gonna be a load of hate and disappointment. Clearly something has been going on this last week, and clearly strikes are having an impact. I can only see this as a positive step.

Change ballot live till 17th feb i think so why have cwu's ball's gone.

[Halfhappy]

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[Halfhappy]

To me it's clear that strikes have had a massive impact, and the threat of more is what has brought the CEO to be the only party making any concessions. The CWU have only said they'd hold off strikes, which I think they wouldn't have the time to serve notice for anyway, whilst also continuing to push for a further ballot. For me a return to a joint collaboration, with the cwu, over revisions, returning to previous agreements and framework, at a local level, is a hell of big step backward for RM, considering they've been announcing God knows how many redundancies, and duties cuts, through EA. I haven't had a look at the posts on other threads yet, but I imagine it's gonna be a load of hate and disappointment. Clearly something has been going on this last week, and clearly strikes are having an impact. I can only see this as a positive step.

Change ballot live till 17th feb i think so why have cwu's ball's gone.

They're holding off strikes, while RM backtracks, so talks can commence. Nothing to do with balls. The union is still continuing to reballot us, all they've done is say they'll hold back the strikes. As much as u probably hate to admit it, the strikes have got RM to agree to talks under condition they revert back to previous agreements, at local level, regarding changes.

I'm assuming you mean balls, as in the plural?

[needadvice]

It's not about Royal Mail rolling over. It's about compromise and hopefully coming to an agreement that we both can say "You know what, I can agree with that"

Absolutely. Both parties need to realise no side will rollover. If talks go knowhere in January then this dispute will run deep into this year at a minimum

[MrBigNuts]

So while they talk for 2 weeks Every office and delivery postman is having to deal with massive increases of work as of Monday so RM can save even more money, Where's the hold from there side????, we can't see any.

[wandle]

Saying ‘we won’t strike before 20th January’ is hilarious, if Thompson thinks he’s won a major concession from the CWU.
Legally, even if we served notice this morning, the earliest possible date - legally speaking - is January 21st

[chickenwittle]

So while they talk for 2 weeks Every office and delivery postman is having to deal with massive increases of work as of Monday so RM can save even more money, Where's the hold from there side????, we can't see any.

What the union are really saying is no strikes until February at the earliest as they are not going to serve notice of strikes while in talks between 9th and 20th of January are they , so it’s at least a month of calm now which Royal Mail will be relieved by.

[timbo1234]

So while they talk for 2 weeks Every office and delivery postman is having to deal with massive increases of work as of Monday so RM can save even more money, Where's the hold from there side????, we can't see any.

What the union are really saying is no strikes until February at the earliest as they are not going to serve notice of strikes while in talks between 9th and 20th of January are they , so it’s at least a month of calm now which Royal Mail will be relieved by.

Or is this another tactic by RM to clear the backlog, do more secret planning on revisions in order to get a better idea of redundancies. Call me cynical but this does not feel genuine to me. If there are no strikes until early Feb RM have 4 whole weeks to fine tune their plans whilst pretending to negotiate. I hope I am wrong and the negotiations proceed in good faith but I'm not holding my breath.

[chickenwittle]

So while they talk for 2 weeks Every office and delivery postman is having to deal with massive increases of work as of Monday so RM can save even more money, Where's the hold from there side????, we can't see any.

What the union are really saying is no strikes until February at the earliest as they are not going to serve notice of strikes while in talks between 9th and 20th of January are they , so it’s at least a month of calm now which Royal Mail will be relieved by.

Or is this another tactic by RM to clear the backlog, do more secret planning on revisions in order to get a better idea of redundancies. Call me cynical but this does not feel genuine to me. If there are no strikes until early Feb RM have 4 whole weeks to fine tune their plans whilst pretending to negotiate. I hope I am wrong and the negotiations proceed in good faith but I'm not holding my breath.

You could be right but there’s nothing stopping Royal Mail ploughing ahead and doing this anyway without talking to the union so at some point we have to take them at face value to try to resolve this , the union are damned if they do damned if they don’t.

[Schiff]

I'm pretty sure that this is about the union selling us out while pretending to have won a victory for us. We will be presented with an "absolutely best, last and final offer" which the union will present as a victory and recommend that we accept, but which will give Thompson most of what he wants and make the job a nightmare for many posties.

I hope that when the time comes to vote members consider whether the offer crosses their personal red lines and vote accordingly, rather than simply accept any shitty deal.

[aiden01]

To me it's clear that strikes have had a massive impact, and the threat of more is what has brought the CEO to be the only party making any concessions. The CWU have only said they'd hold off strikes, which I think they wouldn't have the time to serve notice for anyway, whilst also continuing to push for a further ballot. For me a return to a joint collaboration, with the cwu, over revisions, returning to previous agreements and framework, at a local level, is a hell of big step backward for RM, considering they've been announcing God knows how many redundancies, and duties cuts, through EA. I haven't had a look at the posts on other threads yet, but I imagine it's gonna be a load of hate and disappointment. Clearly something has been going on this last week, and clearly strikes are having an impact. I can only see this as a positive step.

Change ballot live till 17th feb i think so why have cwu's ball's gone.

They're holding off strikes, while RM backtracks, so talks can commence. Nothing to do with balls. The union is still continuing to reballot us, all they've done is say they'll hold back the strikes. As much as u probably hate to admit it, the strikes have got RM to agree to talks under condition they revert back to previous agreements, at local level, regarding changes.

I'm assuming you mean balls, as in the plural?

They were still talking when striking before christmas so why the change of plan.

[chickenwittle]

I'm pretty sure that this is about the union selling us out while pretending to have won a victory for us. We will be presented with an "absolutely best, last and final offer" which the union will present as a victory and recommend that we accept, but which will give Thompson most of what he wants and make the job a nightmare for many posties.

I hope that when the time comes to vote members consider whether the offer crosses their personal red lines and vote accordingly, rather than simply accept any shitty deal.

We are not going to get it all our own way and that’s the reality, Royal Mail have already rolled back on compulsory redundancy, compulsory Sunday working and have now allowed the union to be involved with revisions again , small steps but the job will be changing whether we like it or not.

[chickenwittle]

To me it's clear that strikes have had a massive impact, and the threat of more is what has brought the CEO to be the only party making any concessions. The CWU have only said they'd hold off strikes, which I think they wouldn't have the time to serve notice for anyway, whilst also continuing to push for a further ballot. For me a return to a joint collaboration, with the cwu, over revisions, returning to previous agreements and framework, at a local level, is a hell of big step backward for RM, considering they've been announcing God knows how many redundancies, and duties cuts, through EA. I haven't had a look at the posts on other threads yet, but I imagine it's gonna be a load of hate and disappointment. Clearly something has been going on this last week, and clearly strikes are having an impact. I can only see this as a positive step.

Change ballot live till 17th feb i think so why have cwu's ball's gone.

They're holding off strikes, while RM backtracks, so talks can commence. Nothing to do with balls. The union is still continuing to reballot us, all they've done is say they'll hold back the strikes. As much as u probably hate to admit it, the strikes have got RM to agree to talks under condition they revert back to previous agreements, at local level, regarding changes.

I'm assuming you mean balls, as in the plural?

They were still talking when striking before christmas so why the change of plan.

Dave ward said a couple of weeks ago , they didn’t want to burn us out regarding strikes, January is a tough month having just had 2 strike days taken from our wages yesterday.

[aiden01]

To me it's clear that strikes have had a massive impact, and the threat of more is what has brought the CEO to be the only party making any concessions. The CWU have only said they'd hold off strikes, which I think they wouldn't have the time to serve notice for anyway, whilst also continuing to push for a further ballot. For me a return to a joint collaboration, with the cwu, over revisions, returning to previous agreements and framework, at a local level, is a hell of big step backward for RM, considering they've been announcing God knows how many redundancies, and duties cuts, through EA. I haven't had a look at the posts on other threads yet, but I imagine it's gonna be a load of hate and disappointment. Clearly something has been going on this last week, and clearly strikes are having an impact. I can only see this as a positive step.

Change ballot live till 17th feb i think so why have cwu's ball's gone.

They're holding off strikes, while RM backtracks, so talks can commence. Nothing to do with balls. The union is still continuing to reballot us, all they've done is say they'll hold back the strikes. As much as u probably hate to admit it, the strikes have got RM to agree to talks under condition they revert back to previous agreements, at local level, regarding changes.

I'm assuming you mean balls, as in the plural?

They were still talking when striking before christmas so why the change of plan.

Dave ward said a couple of weeks ago , they didn’t want to burn us out regarding strikes, January is a tough month having just had 2 strike days taken from our wages yesterday.

Every month is tough pay the same bills every month.