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Is it time to stagger the strikes?

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olilew
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Re: Is it time to stagger the strikes?

Post by olilew »

2chorizon wrote:
12 Sep 2022, 08:58
One does wonder just how much strike experience some people on here have.
Not very much by the sound of it.
Well Terry has just said that that tactic is 'on the table!'
"Just take it out and see how you go......."
guardianangel
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Re: Is it time to stagger the strikes?

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Nope,we are all different i'd go all out,victory favours the brave.
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Re: Is it time to stagger the strikes?

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posted wrote:
12 Sep 2022, 18:42
There’s also this in Gov guidance
“ After 12 weeks, you can be dismissed if you take industrial action and your employer has tried to settle the dispute. For example, your employer may bring in advisers from Acas to help find a solution.”

Doubt RMG would go that far though. Morals/ethics aside, would be a huge brand issue.
Also, I’m presuming with 2 different ballots it would be treated as 2 separate disputes. So action, therefore 12 week clock, for T&Cs begins 30th sept.
I would think that means if u go out for 12 weeks solid. There would be no RM if that happened. Still not caught sight of all these agency that are replacing us, anyone seen more than half a dozen except those in Mail centres?
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Re: Is it time to stagger the strikes?

Post by aiden01 »

Clappedoutpostie wrote:
12 Sep 2022, 22:25
posted wrote:
12 Sep 2022, 18:42
There’s also this in Gov guidance
“ After 12 weeks, you can be dismissed if you take industrial action and your employer has tried to settle the dispute. For example, your employer may bring in advisers from Acas to help find a solution.”

Doubt RMG would go that far though. Morals/ethics aside, would be a huge brand issue.
Also, I’m presuming with 2 different ballots it would be treated as 2 separate disputes. So action, therefore 12 week clock, for T&Cs begins 30th sept.
I would think that means if u go out for 12 weeks solid. There would be no RM if that happened. Still not caught sight of all these agency that are replacing us, anyone seen more than half a dozen except those in Mail centres?
Only seen a few in our mc an same ones everytime.
posted
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Re: Is it time to stagger the strikes?

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olilew wrote:
12 Sep 2022, 20:25
2chorizon wrote:
12 Sep 2022, 08:58
One does wonder just how much strike experience some people on here have.
Not very much by the sound of it.
Well Terry has just said that that tactic is 'on the table!'
Well you can’t rule something out publicly as it would reveal their position.

I recall I think the strikes in the early 2010s when they last did functional.
The day Delivery were in after I think processing were out, there was only a handful of letters to deliver.
Managers were told the day before to cancel all overtime and arrange day off for leave reserves that agreed. Could lapse whole sections that day.
Clappedoutpostie
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Re: Is it time to stagger the strikes?

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posted wrote:
12 Sep 2022, 23:03
I recall I think the strikes in the early 2010s when they last did functional.
The day Delivery were in after I think processing were out, there was only a handful of letters to deliver.
Managers were told the day before to cancel all overtime and arrange day off for leave reserves that agreed. Could lapse whole sections that day.
Now it would be a case of delivering what’s still in the frame or on the floor from the previous day/s.
Schiff
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Re: Is it time to stagger the strikes?

Post by Schiff »

Clappedoutpostie wrote:
13 Sep 2022, 06:44
posted wrote:
12 Sep 2022, 23:03
I recall I think the strikes in the early 2010s when they last did functional.
The day Delivery were in after I think processing were out, there was only a handful of letters to deliver.
Managers were told the day before to cancel all overtime and arrange day off for leave reserves that agreed. Could lapse whole sections that day.
Now it would be a case of delivering what’s still in the frame or on the floor from the previous day/s.
So it should now be 2 or 3 days out for each function, then no strikes for the next 3 weeks.
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Re: Is it time to stagger the strikes?

Post by RTP »

olilew wrote:
12 Sep 2022, 00:01
I think the initial 3 (should've been 4) days strikes have been quite effective. Is it now time to stagger the strikes between the operations? ie processing, distribution and then delivery. Mix it up a bit. 's**t 'em right up!' It would cause chaos with their contingency and recovery plans.
It did last time. Was very affective.
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Re: Is it time to stagger the strikes?

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We need to be out for a week. Hit them hard. It's gonna end up with people pi**ed off if we continue with the odd day every couple of weeks. Completely ineffective.
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Re: Is it time to stagger the strikes?

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POSTPERSON50 wrote:
13 Sep 2022, 18:12
We need to be out for a week. Hit them hard. It's gonna end up with people pi**ed off if we continue with the odd day every couple of weeks. Completely ineffective.
Go out for a week and the strike collapses, when you are having your house repossesed because you can't pay the rent the judge will have zero sympathy for you. I can go all out for a year and still live, can you? The vast majority cannot, they do overtime to survive, not because it is loads of fun.
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Re: Is it time to stagger the strikes?

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Go out for a week and the strike collapses, when you are having your house repossesed because you can't pay the rent the judge will have zero sympathy for you. I can go all out for a year and still live, can you? The vast majority cannot, they do overtime to survive, not because it is loads of fun.



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Re: Is it time to stagger the strikes?

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theargyspy wrote:
13 Sep 2022, 18:58
Go out for a week and the strike collapses, when you are having your house repossesed because you can't pay the rent the judge will have zero sympathy for you. I can go all out for a year and still live, can you? The vast majority cannot, they do overtime to survive, not because it is loads of fun.



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not being funny but how could you do without a wage for a year?
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Re: Is it time to stagger the strikes?

Post by world class male »

it rises yet again, an overtime ban is the only way to get any leverage, odd day or 2 strikes simply won't work until we hit december and by then many union members will be that pi55ed off with the cwu even though they think they have a 97%+ support, they won't!
i get that many are pt taking a job on requiring a ft wage (but not promised) and also many ft are dependant on overtime to simply exist, this even before the cost of living crisis.
but even regular hours guys are losing exactly the same re fuel & food bills
the cwu'hq have buried their heads in the sand hoping something will give and then act when too late, this scum we are employed by are introducing changes by executive action regardless, 60%+ at ours crying for a new ballot to legalise an overtime ban, yet they won't do it?
don't they realises if we lose this dispute there won't be a union? because no subs will double the pay rise
all they can shout out is they have a legal agreement in which they have broken and also wrote a letter to them, WELL TAKE THEM TO A COURT IF IT'S THAT LEGAL OR NOT!! because it is definitely not illegal that's why and they know it

FFS pullinger, do what the most of us want, vote for a f u c k i n g overtime ban and let us decide not you
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Re: Is it time to stagger the strikes?

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RM’s plan is to split the workforce and starve us out, stay strong.
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Re: Is it time to stagger the strikes?

Post by Surreypostie »

postieblueshirt wrote:
13 Sep 2022, 19:41
theargyspy wrote:
13 Sep 2022, 18:58
Go out for a week and the strike collapses, when you are having your house repossesed because you can't pay the rent the judge will have zero sympathy for you. I can go all out for a year and still live, can you? The vast majority cannot, they do overtime to survive, not because it is loads of fun.



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not being funny but how could you do without a wage for a year?
Because I am extremely lucky, I wouldn't want to do it as I would end up skint but I could do it, how many others can? I wish I could retire but that would be just the same, money would run out. Too many armchair warriors calling for all out strikes. There was a 7 week strike, a relative of mine took part, they didn't win.