LTB : national negotiation disclaimer

[The truth!]

So I share an opinion which may be different from the normal i dont want longer spans , dont want to do door to door , dont accept walks seqeunecing , dont accept car derived vans , dont accept any change, then I must be a manager wow that is quality.

No I am not a manager but neither am i someone who burys their head in the sand, in 2001 we had 80/20 ratio full time to part time now it is closer to 60% and decreasing if we still believe that 3.5 hours with reductions in both IPS and prep work due to increases in walk sorted not to mention the forthcoming walk seqeuencing machines wont change things then really i
am wasting my time.

i learnt a long time ago that you can stop some things which Royal Mail want to do by fighting and stiking , but there are some where you either decide to shape that change or you become a monument to that change.

Now Belial you say no union official would say that mail centres had an easy deal on Pay and Major change , what a load of rubbish. It was the worst kept secret and a standing joke amongst union reps in processing. Look whilst delivery offices had to save hours from changing from two deliveries to one and they had to also fund rest day covers for the 5 day week. Mail centres only had to save money on a 3 month reference period , whilst it is true some made structural change a lot were shall we say more inventive , it is fact ask anyone in the know.

Now what are my views on Door to Door into workload , well I believe that it has to go into workload , I know that is unpopular to some and easy for me to say as i wont be delivering them. But what is the alternative that we continue to lose full time jobs due to more automation when we could stablise some prep and outdoor time by delivering door to door. No we wont get 100% call rate as a result as you could deliver all of the items to 20% of your addresses per day rather than 1 item per day to all addresses but it would help in protecting jobs. In regards to what the supplement should be where I think there is a figure we are aiming at which would be paid as a delivery sumplement 52 weeks per year.

Now with regards to the shorter working week and whether I am in favour of the removal of paid meal reliefs ? Well i have been in the industry since the early 80s and we use to do a 43 hour working week 6 days per week , in all those years we have only had two 90 mins reductions one in 1988 and the other in 2000. We have had the 35 hour gross working week policy for some 20 odd years and have failed to achieve it as money has always been the main piority.

Now there are two options either 2 hours off the working week to a 38 hour gross working week, or the other option is that you move to 35 hour net working week which would mean you have appoximately 1 .40 off the working week but your hourly rate would increase and the aim was to get that to £10 per hour . That £10 per hour would enable in year 2 and 3 of the deal to increase your pay based on a higher hourly rate.

Any shorter working week will be based on no loss of pay but the advantage of collasping the meal reliefs is that you significantly increase the hourly rate going forward.

legally you are entitiled to a meal relief so that shouldt be an issue. However at the end of the day it is down to what you want do you want 38 hour gross working week which will have a lesser hourly rate going into year 2 and 3 of the deal or do you want an increased hourly rate going into the deal.

[Cut Off King]

Now what are my views on Door to Door into workload , well I believe that it has to go into workload , I know that is unpopular to some and easy for me to say as i wont be delivering them. But what is the alternative that we continue to lose full time jobs due to more automation when we could stablise some prep and outdoor time by delivering door to door. No we wont get 100% call rate as a result as you could deliver all of the items to 20% of your addresses per day rather than 1 item per day to all addresses but it would help in protecting jobs. In regards to what the supplement should be where I think there is a figure we are aiming at which would be paid as a delivery sumplement 52 weeks per year.
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How will this suppement work? , Will it be a flat national rate? Will it be based on office traffic ? Some duties have 300 calls and others have nearly 700 calls, will they all get paid the same?

[fishtank]

Flexibility and Absorbtion.Will they feature in this agreement?

Anybody know the truth.

[fishtank]

the truth wrote
"Any shorter working week will be based on no loss of pay but the advantage of collasping the meal reliefs is that you significantly increase the hourly rate going forward."



Yes it will but as your hourly rate increases so does the amount you lose from collapsing that meal relief.
We are not idiots.

[spilie]

you know where you can shove the collapsing the meal relief, and please please stop the "protecting full time jobs" pi*h, i am desperate to hear my rep sell this sh*t gonny be fun

[clashcityrocker]

Flexibility and Absorbtion.Will they feature in this agreement?

Anybody know the truth.

Surely it will depend on the capacity plan.
If only somebody understood it

[dvbuk55]

Flexibility and Absorbtion.Will they feature in this agreement?

Anybody know the truth.

Yes it's Dingo - though you have to wonder why you'd need to change your name - unless it is to protect the innocent

[fishtank]

Flexibility and Absorbtion.Will they feature in this agreement?

Anybody know the truth.

Yes it's Dingo - though you have to wonder why you'd need to change your name - unless it is to protect the innocent

I'm wondering if there is a bit of baader meinhof complex going on here.
Maybe OUR negotiators have spent a little too much time with their "captors".
Didn't Patty Hearst change her name to tania?

[mr deeds]

not that i would agree to a lump sum pay off for d2d but i bet the floaters who dont do d2d will be well piss*d off....no payout and then have to do d2d each week for nowt.....

[dvbuk55]

Flexibility and Absorbtion.Will they feature in this agreement?

Anybody know the truth.

Yes it's Dingo - though you have to wonder why you'd need to change your name - unless it is to protect the innocent

I'm wondering if there is a bit of baader meinhof complex going on here.
Maybe OUR negotiators have spent a little too much time with their "captors".
Didn't Patty Hearst change her name to tania?

Hang on a mo - we're not talking tranny here are we? I somehow had a vision of a cross dresser in the local Barclays armed with an LTB.

[fishtank]

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[clashcityrocker]

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Is that Billy in his younger,slimmer more radical days?

[Himaggen]

If it was decided to incorporate DTD into the normal workload, then I'm sure that the intention would be that the float would be expected to take a 20% share!

In such a scenario how would it be possible for the DO's to manage each duty, especially those being covered by reserves on single days/part weeks etc. They would need to prevent employees being forced to take the portion with the long/slippery driveways and paths, with dogs, barely accessible addresses, staircases etc. It would also need to not favour those who use their car and don't want to deliver to a property because of difficulty parking etc. The things outlined above are part of the underlying reason why floats, or reserves not allocated to the duty for an entire week, do not deliver DTD items in our DO.

The only way I can see it working in my office is if the frame was split up such that individual addresses were allocated specific days and these were set in stone. Since you have a different day off every week you'd be prevented from choosing which you delivered. The system would still need to be organized in such a way as to not have single 20% blocks of DTD thus making pouches overweight etc., (possibly a one in every five sequence). To do this I would envisage that each address on the frame would need to carry an identifying mark allocated to specific days which I'd suggest in the real world would be impractical.

With our inept members of management all I can see happening is a load of duty holders and bullies taking a financial reward for sh*tting on their colleagues.

Anyone know of a system, (possibly currently implemented), where these problems will not occur?

[fishtank]

It is not that difficult.

My frame has 5 sections and 4 levels.
All you need do is prep 1 section per day.As there are 4 levels and each level is a different area bag weight is not an issue,not that it will be anyway with park&loop.
The real problem is i have 75% double slots.How will you prep 10 or 12 D2Ds and the mail into 1 slot.

[Glenno]

Heres the answer u r looking for 1,3,5,7, or more households per week ffs duty holder= 80% relief =20% end of