LTB 045/11 Door to Door Arrangements January 2011

[fishtank]

Ok and no doubt i'm going to get jumped on here,the tin hat is on,but i don't need Uncle Bob to wet nurse me with the vast majority of shite we get at my place.
D2D's being one of them.

Your absolutely right POSTMAN, .... why have a dog if you can bark yourself...it's an expensive dog after all.
Might be cheaper getting a temp in if all he has to do is cut&paste a few old LTBs.
I never thought i would hear you calling for Bobs head.

[POSTMAN]

Ok and no doubt i'm going to get jumped on here,the tin hat is on,but i don't need Uncle Bob to wet nurse me with the vast majority of shite we get at my place.
D2D's being one of them.

Your absolutely right POSTMAN, .... why have a dog if you can bark yourself...it's an expensive dog after all.
Might be cheaper getting a temp in if all he has to do is cut&paste a few old LTBs.
I never thought i would hear you calling for Bobs head.

LOL good point,oops.

[Ahebban]

It is not always the fault of Unit Delivery Reps that the D2D situation is a mess at local level. Posties themselves are not particularly adept at understanding (or choose to ignore) the purpose of the 'extra time' added into the indoor work because of D2D. They continue to prep their D2D as and when it suits them and deliver it as it suits them. By doing so they relieve DOMs of the responsibility to include the extra prep time for D2D into their daily indoor work time.

Doing the job properly, following Interim Guidelines and National Agreements, prioritising Health and Safety within (and outside) the workplace will impact on the capability of Offices to complete deliveries on a daily basis - whatever Delivery Method is employed. CWU members are very quick to criticize national officiers for being 'out of touch', and rightly so when occasion arises! However, whether an Office has a Unit Rep or not, it should not prevent members from presenting an argument against any DOM attempting to impose their interpretation of agreements. Very often the Unit Delivery Rep is a lone figure when it comes to the Interim Agreement on D2Ds and DOMs use that to their advantage. For many posties 'Job and Finish' is still very much alive and kicking. They see the new arrangements regarding D2Ds as imposing on their perceived 'right' to get finished as quickly as possible, leaving Unit Delivery Reps in an impossible position - trying to defend an unwelcome agreement, however well-intentioned.

[celerycelery]

Its all this "agree at a local level" that pisses me off. Just from the posts on here you find out how different ways offices do d2d's. Some do 20% a day mon to fri, some do 1/6th a day mon to sat, some chuck them all in on a monday and take where they are going over the week etc etc. As the d2d into work load was probably the biggest change in the agreement and also the loss of money from doing them surely the cwu should have set out NATIONALLY how this was going to work. They are just playing into the hands of the weak offices with poor/bullying management to do exactly what they want as soon as they say "local agreement".

[whatamess!!]

It is not always the fault of Unit Delivery Reps that the D2D situation is a mess at local level. Posties themselves are not particularly adept at understanding (or choose to ignore) the purpose of the 'extra time' added into the indoor work because of D2D. They continue to prep their D2D as and when it suits them and deliver it as it suits them. By doing so they relieve DOMs of the responsibility to include the extra prep time for D2D into their daily indoor work time.

Doing the job properly, following Interim Guidelines and National Agreements, prioritising Health and Safety within (and outside) the workplace will impact on the capability of Offices to complete deliveries on a daily basis - whatever Delivery Method is employed. CWU members are very quick to criticize national officiers for being 'out of touch', and rightly so when occasion arises! However, whether an Office has a Unit Rep or not, it should not prevent members from presenting an argument against any DOM attempting to impose their interpretation of agreements. Very often the Unit Delivery Rep is a lone figure when it comes to the Interim Agreement on D2Ds and DOMs use that to their advantage. For many posties 'Job and Finish' is still very much alive and kicking. They see the new arrangements regarding D2Ds as imposing on their perceived 'right' to get finished as quickly as possible, leaving Unit Delivery Reps in an impossible position - trying to defend an unwelcome agreement, however well-intentioned.

[whatamess!!]

Alot of the time it's the members fault, trying to be done asap, without looking past the end of their nose, coming in early, not having a break , using own cars etc, when they stop all this crap and stick together maybe the local rep will beable to get this s**t sorted.

[fishtank]

It is not always the fault of Unit Delivery Reps that the D2D situation is a mess at local level.

As usual Ahebban your post is spot on...the problem comes next....what to do about it?
You can only blame members for so long before you have to start looking at the structure behind them.

So.....Educate,Protect or Ignore?

Can you educate members and should reps be trying harder to educate members or is that just a waste of time?
Or do you try to protect them from themselves by agreeing everything at national level and having everything carved in stone?
Or do you just ignore the problem,have members blame HQ,HQ blame the members...and watch weak offices become weak areas and divisions?

[clashcityrocker]

Can you educate members and should reps be trying harder to educate members?

I would need full time release to even contemplate such a task.
There's none so deaf.........

[Big Daz]

Can you educate members and should reps be trying harder to educate members or is that just a waste of time?

For me and for my DO the answer is waste of time/lost cause.

[Big Daz]

These extra hours BG wants have to be worked by some one, local reps dont have a magic wand that will make more staff appear. Its O/T or cut off.

My DO has survived on heavy delivery OT being booked by the staff and a few staff willing to cover cut offs on O/T.