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LTB 164/20 – Coronavirus: Covid-19 Sick Pay and Policy Update
No. 164/2020
30th March 2020
TO: ALL BRANCHES WITH ROYAL MAIL GROUP MEMBERS
Dear Colleagues,
RE: CORONAVIRUS COVID-19 – SICK PAY AND POLICY UPDATE
Over the last few weeks, we have been in negotiations with Royal Mail on attendance issues linked to the Coronavirus Covid-19. On 9th March 2020 we wrote to Royal Mail wanting to discuss the challenges Coronavirus Covid-19 would bring and to ensure our members were looked after. Following a meeting on 13th March 2020, paid sick leave for members with less than 12 months service and discounting absences for Coronavirus within the attendance procedure were implemented on 16th March 2020. This was reported in LTB 127/20.
When LTB 127/20 was published, there was a maximum of 14 days self-isolating, Royal Mail’s policy was based on this with a review date of 31st March 2020. Within a few days of the LTB being published this changed, as over the weekend of 20th March 2020 the Government introduced the self-isolation for vulnerable people, which is 12 weeks self-isolation. Members in the most vulnerable groups have been sent letters to this effect, so they can supply the letter to their employer. Once this letter is provided, this will cover you for the period of 12 weeks.
Due to this announcement, we wrote to Royal Mail on 23rd March requesting the review be brought forward as we now potentially have members who are on half/no pay, or could potentially go onto half/no pay if they had to self-isolate for 12 weeks and there is no way this could be covered by annual leave. We have made the point most members would not be able to afford to be on half pay/unpaid for 12 weeks for an absence they would not normally have taken, and therefore they could be forced to take risks by coming into work as they cannot afford to stay off.
Royal Mail stated they were not going to bring forward the review from 31st March 2020, however would take on board our concerns.
Any member who has a letter from the NHS or a Doctor’s letter stating they are in the vulnerable category will be paid in line with the pay policy. This is 6 months full pay
and 6 months half pay over a rolling 4 year period. RMPFS will follow their own pay policy.
We believe as the Government are instructing members to take time off to go into social-isolation/social-distancing, exceptionally, any absence where members are forced into being absent should be paid full pay and not be penalised due to having had serious illnesses in the past e.g. Cancer.
Taking absence at this time, is not a choice a lot of people would have opted for. As this is a life saving measure which has been enforced on our vulnerable members, Royal Mail should pay full pay for anyone who has to follow Government advice due to being in the Vulnerable Persons category.
We will keep pressing Royal Mail on this and other issues which affect our members during this Coronavirus Crisis.
We have also brought up the issues and risks of the current policy highlighted in this LTB to the most senior national managers, therefore our opinion has been highlighted throughout the business.
When I write to Royal Mail, this also covers Parcelforce Members. We are also speaking with Management in RMPFS, who have to date followed Royal Mail’s lead.
Sick pay will be paid in line with each business unit’s sick pay policy.
I have attached a question and answer sheet to this LTB. There is a Facebook live session at 4pm today where I will be giving an update of discussions with the employers and it will also be an opportunity for members to have any questions they want answered on the Attendance Agreement.
All enquiries regarding the content of this LTB should be addressed to the PTCS Department, quoting reference 415. Email address: snicholas@cwu.org.
Yours Sincerely,
Carl Maden
Assistant Secretary (Acting).
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LTB 164/20 - Coronavirus: Covid-19 Sick Pay and Policy Update
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POSTMAN
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I Wrote-During Covid-Which is still relevant now
It's good to get these types of threads, the ridiculous my manager said bollox, so we can reassure ourselves that while the world is falling apart, Royal Mail managers are still being the low-life C***S they have always been.
My BFF Clash
The daily grind of having to argue your case with an intellectual pigmy of a line manager is physically and emotionally draining.
It's good to get these types of threads, the ridiculous my manager said bollox, so we can reassure ourselves that while the world is falling apart, Royal Mail managers are still being the low-life C***S they have always been.
My BFF Clash
The daily grind of having to argue your case with an intellectual pigmy of a line manager is physically and emotionally draining.
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yourlatepostie!
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LTB 164/20 - Coronavirus: Covid-19 Sick Pay and Policy Update
I am in the shielded category having had the letter from the NHS. Whilst I am thankful to receive full pay for at least 12 weeks, this cuts into our full sick pay allowance for 4 years.
I think Royal Mail has missed a trick here as they could have put those of us shielded on furlough at little cost to them. As we have pre existing conditions it is likely that we will need to go sick in the future & this will add to the worry as to whether we can afford to go sick as we could be on half pay.
12 weeks off work sounds wonderful until you are confined to your house. It’s only been a week and I miss being out on delivery already, meeting my customers and feeling I am doing something useful.
Stay safe everyone.
I think Royal Mail has missed a trick here as they could have put those of us shielded on furlough at little cost to them. As we have pre existing conditions it is likely that we will need to go sick in the future & this will add to the worry as to whether we can afford to go sick as we could be on half pay.
12 weeks off work sounds wonderful until you are confined to your house. It’s only been a week and I miss being out on delivery already, meeting my customers and feeling I am doing something useful.
Stay safe everyone.
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POSTMAN
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https://www.royalmailchat.co.uk/communi ... 71&t=94965" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;ROYAL MAIL wrote:The 80% scheme is only for furloughed workers. This would therefore not apply to Royal Mail staff as there is currently work available and we are not currently in a position where we are considering redundancies due to the Covid-19 situation.
I Wrote-During Covid-Which is still relevant now
It's good to get these types of threads, the ridiculous my manager said bollox, so we can reassure ourselves that while the world is falling apart, Royal Mail managers are still being the low-life C***S they have always been.
My BFF Clash
The daily grind of having to argue your case with an intellectual pigmy of a line manager is physically and emotionally draining.
It's good to get these types of threads, the ridiculous my manager said bollox, so we can reassure ourselves that while the world is falling apart, Royal Mail managers are still being the low-life C***S they have always been.
My BFF Clash
The daily grind of having to argue your case with an intellectual pigmy of a line manager is physically and emotionally draining.
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yourlatepostie!
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LTB 164/20 - Coronavirus: Covid-19 Sick Pay and Policy Update
From uk.gov
You do not need to place all your employees on furlough. However, those employees who you do place on furlough cannot undertake work for you.
If your employee is on unpaid leave
Employees on unpaid leave cannot be furloughed, unless they were placed on unpaid leave after 28 February.
If your employee is on Statutory Sick Pay
Employees on sick leave or self-isolating should get Statutory Sick Pay, but can be furloughed after this.
Employees who are shielding in line with public health guidance can be placed on furlough.
There is nothing stopping Royal Mail using this scheme.
They are not using it by choice.
Maybe they are worried about how many would take it if offered.
Perhaps this will change in the coming weeks
You do not need to place all your employees on furlough. However, those employees who you do place on furlough cannot undertake work for you.
If your employee is on unpaid leave
Employees on unpaid leave cannot be furloughed, unless they were placed on unpaid leave after 28 February.
If your employee is on Statutory Sick Pay
Employees on sick leave or self-isolating should get Statutory Sick Pay, but can be furloughed after this.
Employees who are shielding in line with public health guidance can be placed on furlough.
There is nothing stopping Royal Mail using this scheme.
They are not using it by choice.
Maybe they are worried about how many would take it if offered.
Perhaps this will change in the coming weeks
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Woody Guthrie
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I think you would have to show an economic business need to do so not a social need , the idea behind furlough is to prevent employers from getting rid of staff.
We can't exactly argue that there's no work for them.
We can't exactly argue that there's no work for them.
Only dead fish follow the current