LTB 263/20 - COVID-19 RECOGNITION PAYMENT

yubin282 · Post by **yubin282** » 22 May 2020, 18:38

Cucumber wrote:I can't speak for others, but the only people to go off with symptoms in our office are the same people who employ the 'use it or lose it' technique and mark their sick leave on a calendar so they know when they are next due off.

I think you are speaking of others, we all know what you're saying.

centenaryman · Post by **centenaryman** » 22 May 2020, 19:58

yubin282 wrote:
Cucumber wrote:I can't speak for others, but the only people to go off with symptoms in our office are the same people who employ the 'use it or lose it' technique and mark their sick leave on a calendar so they know when they are next due off.
I think you are speaking of others, we all know what you're saying.

echo that here same old faces and all that.........even on there 2nd 2 weeks some of them

daveyeff · Post by **daveyeff** » 22 May 2020, 20:48

Lose 2 weeks covid bonus then.

Woody Guthrie · Post by **Woody Guthrie** » 22 May 2020, 21:03

daveyeff wrote:Lose 2 weeks covid bonus then.

And if they were genuine?

hero22 · Post by **hero22** » 22 May 2020, 22:10

Woody Guthrie wrote:
daveyeff wrote:Lose 2 weeks covid bonus then.
And if they were genuine?

Its hardly a life changing amount of money and seems to be classified as a reward for those who have worked. Those staying at home whether genuine or not where doing so because that was what the government told them they had to do. It should be for those who have did the hours, if for instance someone took 2 weeks off and was back in they also deserve it in my opinion. Those who have not been in the office since this began don't deserve it in my view but im sure others would disagree. I know if I was off from the start I would be embarrassed to be receiving it ( but would still accept it lol).

sindba · Post by **sindba** » 22 May 2020, 23:07

hero22 wrote:
Woody Guthrie wrote:
daveyeff wrote:Lose 2 weeks covid bonus then.
And if they were genuine?
Its hardly a life changing amount of money and seems to be classified as a reward for those who have worked. Those staying at home whether genuine or not where doing so because that was what the government told them they had to do. It should be for those who have did the hours, if for instance someone took 2 weeks off and was back in they also deserve it in my opinion. Those who have not been in the office since this began don't deserve it in my view but im sure others would disagree. I know if I was off from the start I would be embarrassed to be receiving it ( but would still accept it lol).

I agree.

Those isolating were safe, which is a priceless bonus at this time.

Those working were risking themselves to cover the extra work. They deserve a bonus too.

(I don't get the 200 quid personally)

daveyeff · Post by **daveyeff** » 23 May 2020, 13:29

Woody Guthrie wrote:
daveyeff wrote:Lose 2 weeks covid bonus then.
And if they were genuine?

mine was genuine. i tested positive.

postslippete · Post by **postslippete** » 23 May 2020, 13:43

Letter volumes have dropped because

1. A number of businesses are closed. And some ar going or have gone out of business i.e. travel companies,airlines,national holidays,retailers,banks etc
2. Volumes always drop massively towards summer. It was the main reason why the business introduced "summer lapsing"

postslippete · Post by **postslippete** » 23 May 2020, 14:17

sindba wrote:
I agree.

Those isolating were safe, which is a priceless bonus at this time.

Those working were risking themselves to cover the extra work. They deserve a bonus too.

(I don't get the 200 quid personally)

Wrong. Those isolating were following government guidelines and keeping their colleagues safe. Sure,there might have been some milking it for what it's worth but some might have been entirely genuine. You forget(and I don't have the exact figures) but some postal workers have actually died from covid19. Who is to say that they died whilst in the line of duty?

The £200 might not be life changing but even though the government have said that we are past the peak,they are telling us to stay alert for a second wave. What if we pocket the bonus for working and we are then told by our line manager sometime in the future that we should go to work when we are genuinely ill otherwise we might miss out on some speculative future bonus? I've seen managers tell staff at Xmas that they won't get a bonus if they go on sick (even though they do).

I don't agree with bonuses anyway. I think Asda are giving their staff an increase in hourly pay. I think our Union should do the same.

Celgar · Post by **Celgar** » 24 May 2020, 13:30

Frankie15 wrote:
Woody Guthrie wrote:
it must be remembered that the main focus of this payment is to acknowledge colleagues who have worked throughout the current COVID-19 crisis and continue to do so.
My question is.. If payment is due to people who have worked throughout and I'm guessing not to anyone who went out with symptoms or whatever. What about the ones who actually tested positive for Covid 19 and went sick through no fault of their own?? I for one tested positive and am 100% positive I contracted it on delivery.

A fair percentage of people will have caught the virus, developed no symptoms, passed it onto other people then recovered from it without any knowledge of the fact. No way you can be 100% certain that you caught the virus while on delivery.
I recommend you go on the BBC iPlayer and watch the two part 'Horizon' documentary which was shown on BBC2. Both episodes were very interesting especially other symptoms including swollen & bleeding toes. Apparently ELEVEN MILLION Chinese people flew out of China including numbers from the epicentre of the virus to travel across the world to have New Year celebrations which were banned in China. The UK government is now claiming they spoke to the 2000 Chinese people that flew from Wuhan to Heathrow on February 14th 2020 and advised them to isolate . Not sure we can believe they took the advice or were even given it as those people came here to party - not to self isolate.

Woody Guthrie · Post by **Woody Guthrie** » 24 May 2020, 13:50

sindba wrote:
hero22 wrote:
Woody Guthrie wrote:
daveyeff wrote:Lose 2 weeks covid bonus then.
And if they were genuine?
Its hardly a life changing amount of money and seems to be classified as a reward for those who have worked. Those staying at home whether genuine or not where doing so because that was what the government told them they had to do. It should be for those who have did the hours, if for instance someone took 2 weeks off and was back in they also deserve it in my opinion. Those who have not been in the office since this began don't deserve it in my view but im sure others would disagree. I know if I was off from the start I would be embarrassed to be receiving it ( but would still accept it lol).
I agree.

Those isolating were safe, which is a priceless bonus at this time.

Those working were risking themselves to cover the extra work. They deserve a bonus too.

(I don't get the 200 quid personally)

If payment is purely on the basis of those that worked the entire period then surely those on annual leave during that period should have the same deductions as those self-isolating?

If not.
Why not?

Chelseablue · Post by **Chelseablue** » 24 May 2020, 17:20

Hopefully they will both get full payment , as both kinda the same , had to take time off regardless . Both risked health through this awful time for weeks . Its pennies but at least its something .

Post by **Murdoch** » 24 May 2020, 17:20

Woody Guthrie wrote: If payment is purely on the basis of those that worked the entire period then surely those on annual leave during that period should have the same deductions as those self-isolating?

If not.
Why not?

28 days of Annual leave is a legal requirement. You'd get into tricky legal problems if you discriminated against employees for taking their legally mandated annual leave.

Woody Guthrie · Post by **Woody Guthrie** » 24 May 2020, 17:24

Murdoch wrote:
Woody Guthrie wrote: If payment is purely on the basis of those that worked the entire period then surely those on annual leave during that period should have the same deductions as those self-isolating?

If not.
Why not?
28 days of Annual leave is a legal requirement. You'd get into tricky legal problems if you discriminated against employees for taking their legally mandated annual leave.

7 days isolation is a legal requirement. You'd get into tricky legal problems if you discriminated against employees for taking their legally mandated period of isolation.

Post by **Murdoch** » 24 May 2020, 17:34

Woody Guthrie wrote: 7 days isolation is a legal requirement. You'd get into tricky legal problems if you discriminated against employees for taking their legally mandated period of isolation.

Sure, I think people that isolated with Covid-19 for 7 days, should receive the payment.

If it's done on a pro-rata basis, and you lose 7 days worth, I don't think too many people are going to think that's a big enough problem to raise it as a huge issue. I think Royal Mail feel that the concession that a single period of self-isolation will be paid in full as sick leave, but not count towards a stage, is enough to justify that.