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A Royal Mail postman has been caught writing 'racists' on Reform UK leaflets

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Re: A Royal Mail postman has been caught writing 'racists' on Reform UK leaflets

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Tman wrote:
28 Jun 2024, 12:21

Of course it is, when it's used so freely by some to effectively shut down further debate whether correct or not.

Absolutely the point I was trying to make earlier. You can't say that the Reform party is racist because they want to better control immigration when the other main parties are saying the same.


Nickvilla20 wrote:
28 Jun 2024, 14:51

I’ve got experience with how the immigration system works and it’s a very good way for the government to make money. It was Boris Johnson who eased the immigration rules by allowing companies to advertise jobs outside the UK without advertising them here first. He also lowered the salary threshold to less than £25k

Labour nor the Tories are interested in bringing down immigration as important cheap unskilled labour is good for companies profit margins.



Yeah, its probably better explained here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBr2CojKYbg


And the Reform party? Nigel Farage is Liz Truss in human form :chuckle

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwIa70EDZjE


Only thing I've ever been concerned about is that the rich have got richer and the poor have got poorer. All these parties broadly think the same.
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Re: A Royal Mail postman has been caught writing 'racists' on Reform UK leaflets

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Nickvilla20 wrote:
28 Jun 2024, 05:58


Because people want less immigration from predominantly 3rd world countries isn’t racism. While immigration can be positive for example my wife emigrated here to work the majority has no benefit to the country at all.

Bring in over 800000 people a year net isn’t healthy for public services and housing stocks. Quite a few who migrate here don’t migrate into British culture either which also annoys people many places for example are just like places from the sub continent but stuck in the middle of a poor working class town.

If you look across Europe and the western world in general immigration is a huge talking point and it really is time western governments did something about it.

The is a reason Reform are doing well is because they are brave enough to talk about the problem with immigration the uni party just want more of the same.

You have extremes in every party because a man who supposedly represents Reform doesn’t like brown people or a Labour supporter hates Jews doesn’t mean the whole party is racist. Personally I think the term racist has lost all credibility similar with the term far right.

Pretty much my thoughts too.

It's a numbers thing, not a race thing, even immigrants themselves think its getting out of hand.

The Left likes to paint anyone opposing as racist, classic Left wing thoughtcrime dog whistling ironic when considering they are the most hypocritical bigots themselves.
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NWpostie wrote:
28 Jun 2024, 16:39
Nickvilla20 wrote:
28 Jun 2024, 05:58


Because people want less immigration from predominantly 3rd world countries isn’t racism. While immigration can be positive for example my wife emigrated here to work the majority has no benefit to the country at all.

Bring in over 800000 people a year net isn’t healthy for public services and housing stocks. Quite a few who migrate here don’t migrate into British culture either which also annoys people many places for example are just like places from the sub continent but stuck in the middle of a poor working class town.

If you look across Europe and the western world in general immigration is a huge talking point and it really is time western governments did something about it.

The is a reason Reform are doing well is because they are brave enough to talk about the problem with immigration the uni party just want more of the same.

You have extremes in every party because a man who supposedly represents Reform doesn’t like brown people or a Labour supporter hates Jews doesn’t mean the whole party is racist. Personally I think the term racist has lost all credibility similar with the term far right.

Pretty much my thoughts too.

It's a numbers thing, not a race thing, even immigrants themselves think its getting out of hand.

The Left likes to paint anyone opposing as racist, classic Left wing thoughtcrime dog whistling ironic when considering they are the most hypocritical bigots themselves.
I think reform are racist because they have people running their campaign who talk about machine gunning down immigrants in dinghies, talking about knocking down mosques and replacing them with weatherspoons, calling people with brown skin p*kis, talking about ring fencing Bradford and having all the residents there shot, saying ambulance staff should refuse oxygen to anyone with brown skin etc etc. And that is just from one encounter.

Doesn’t sound like it has anything to do with numbers really, but if you want to convince yourself you aren’t voting for a racist party, whatever lets you sleep at night.
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LouBarlow wrote:
28 Jun 2024, 17:08
NWpostie wrote:
28 Jun 2024, 16:39
Nickvilla20 wrote:
28 Jun 2024, 05:58


Because people want less immigration from predominantly 3rd world countries isn’t racism. While immigration can be positive for example my wife emigrated here to work the majority has no benefit to the country at all.

Bring in over 800000 people a year net isn’t healthy for public services and housing stocks. Quite a few who migrate here don’t migrate into British culture either which also annoys people many places for example are just like places from the sub continent but stuck in the middle of a poor working class town.

If you look across Europe and the western world in general immigration is a huge talking point and it really is time western governments did something about it.

The is a reason Reform are doing well is because they are brave enough to talk about the problem with immigration the uni party just want more of the same.

You have extremes in every party because a man who supposedly represents Reform doesn’t like brown people or a Labour supporter hates Jews doesn’t mean the whole party is racist. Personally I think the term racist has lost all credibility similar with the term far right.

Pretty much my thoughts too.

It's a numbers thing, not a race thing, even immigrants themselves think its getting out of hand.

The Left likes to paint anyone opposing as racist, classic Left wing thoughtcrime dog whistling ironic when considering they are the most hypocritical bigots themselves.
I think reform are racist because they have people running their campaign who talk about machine gunning down immigrants in dinghies, talking about knocking down mosques and replacing them with weatherspoons, calling people with brown skin p*kis, talking about ring fencing Bradford and having all the residents there shot, saying ambulance staff should refuse oxygen to anyone with brown skin etc etc. And that is just from one encounter.

Doesn’t sound like it has anything to do with numbers really, but if you want to convince yourself you aren’t voting for a racist party, whatever lets you sleep at night.
Considering there's some doubts over the actor portraying a Reform canvasser, maybe it's best to wait until we know more.
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Re: A Royal Mail postman has been caught writing 'racists' on Reform UK leaflets

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LouBarlow wrote:
28 Jun 2024, 17:08
NWpostie wrote:
28 Jun 2024, 16:39
Nickvilla20 wrote:
28 Jun 2024, 05:58


Because people want less immigration from predominantly 3rd world countries isn’t racism. While immigration can be positive for example my wife emigrated here to work the majority has no benefit to the country at all.

Bring in over 800000 people a year net isn’t healthy for public services and housing stocks. Quite a few who migrate here don’t migrate into British culture either which also annoys people many places for example are just like places from the sub continent but stuck in the middle of a poor working class town.

If you look across Europe and the western world in general immigration is a huge talking point and it really is time western governments did something about it.

The is a reason Reform are doing well is because they are brave enough to talk about the problem with immigration the uni party just want more of the same.

You have extremes in every party because a man who supposedly represents Reform doesn’t like brown people or a Labour supporter hates Jews doesn’t mean the whole party is racist. Personally I think the term racist has lost all credibility similar with the term far right.

Pretty much my thoughts too.

It's a numbers thing, not a race thing, even immigrants themselves think its getting out of hand.

The Left likes to paint anyone opposing as racist, classic Left wing thoughtcrime dog whistling ironic when considering they are the most hypocritical bigots themselves.
I think reform are racist because they have people running their campaign who talk about machine gunning down immigrants in dinghies, talking about knocking down mosques and replacing them with weatherspoons, calling people with brown skin p*kis, talking about ring fencing Bradford and having all the residents there shot, saying ambulance staff should refuse oxygen to anyone with brown skin etc etc. And that is just from one encounter.

Doesn’t sound like it has anything to do with numbers really, but if you want to convince yourself you aren’t voting for a racist party, whatever lets you sleep at night.
Keep up, even Parker has now confirmed he is an actor:

"It appears Mr Parker is an actor who has appeared in a number of films and television adverts. The Channel 4 News undercover report, broadcast on Thursday, said he was a property developer, but Mr Parker on Friday admitted he was also a part-time actor. He lists “secret filming” among his skills."
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LouBarlow wrote:
28 Jun 2024, 17:08
NWpostie wrote:
28 Jun 2024, 16:39
Nickvilla20 wrote:
28 Jun 2024, 05:58


Because people want less immigration from predominantly 3rd world countries isn’t racism. While immigration can be positive for example my wife emigrated here to work the majority has no benefit to the country at all.

Bring in over 800000 people a year net isn’t healthy for public services and housing stocks. Quite a few who migrate here don’t migrate into British culture either which also annoys people many places for example are just like places from the sub continent but stuck in the middle of a poor working class town.

If you look across Europe and the western world in general immigration is a huge talking point and it really is time western governments did something about it.

The is a reason Reform are doing well is because they are brave enough to talk about the problem with immigration the uni party just want more of the same.

You have extremes in every party because a man who supposedly represents Reform doesn’t like brown people or a Labour supporter hates Jews doesn’t mean the whole party is racist. Personally I think the term racist has lost all credibility similar with the term far right.

Pretty much my thoughts too.

It's a numbers thing, not a race thing, even immigrants themselves think its getting out of hand.

The Left likes to paint anyone opposing as racist, classic Left wing thoughtcrime dog whistling ironic when considering they are the most hypocritical bigots themselves.
I think reform are racist because they have people running their campaign who talk about machine gunning down immigrants in dinghies, talking about knocking down mosques and replacing them with weatherspoons, calling people with brown skin p*kis, talking about ring fencing Bradford and having all the residents there shot, saying ambulance staff should refuse oxygen to anyone with brown skin etc etc. And that is just from one encounter.

Doesn’t sound like it has anything to do with numbers really, but if you want to convince yourself you aren’t voting for a racist party, whatever lets you sleep at night.

Shouty much aren't you ? You think you know me, you're projecting your prejudices on others which is ironic considering Left anti semitism, thoughtcrime prosecutions, telling slanderous lie to achieve a political end, in essence the Left are hypocrites.

No bigger hypocrisy than a Left Wing anti racist, Jews ? Rotherham, Rochdale, Oxford child abuse cases with council authorities snd social workers who are usually Lefties turning a blind eye to it, violent discrimination and cancelling anyone questioning Trans rights over mainstream concerns.

You still haven't addressed house and service shortages ability to cooe with increased numbers, why do you think house prices and rent are increasing exponentially, illegal migrants being put in hotels and camps ? You have no solution to offer except cry "Racist" to shut down any debate, that trope is wearing very thin.
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Tman wrote:
28 Jun 2024, 12:21
Barnacle wrote:
28 Jun 2024, 10:02
It’s not the definition that’s the issue.
Of course it is, when it's used so freely by some to effectively shut down further debate whether correct or not.
If it shuts down debate then why are you all continuing to debate how you are not really racist?
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thefox wrote:
28 Jun 2024, 10:11
As I predicted earlier the racism card getting lobbed about 🤣or should it be realism.
Anyone using the phrase “the racism card getting lobbed about” = probably a racist/scared of foreign people (in my opinion)
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NWpostie wrote:
28 Jun 2024, 17:56
LouBarlow wrote:
28 Jun 2024, 17:08
NWpostie wrote:
28 Jun 2024, 16:39
Nickvilla20 wrote:
28 Jun 2024, 05:58


Because people want less immigration from predominantly 3rd world countries isn’t racism. While immigration can be positive for example my wife emigrated here to work the majority has no benefit to the country at all.

Bring in over 800000 people a year net isn’t healthy for public services and housing stocks. Quite a few who migrate here don’t migrate into British culture either which also annoys people many places for example are just like places from the sub continent but stuck in the middle of a poor working class town.

If you look across Europe and the western world in general immigration is a huge talking point and it really is time western governments did something about it.

The is a reason Reform are doing well is because they are brave enough to talk about the problem with immigration the uni party just want more of the same.

You have extremes in every party because a man who supposedly represents Reform doesn’t like brown people or a Labour supporter hates Jews doesn’t mean the whole party is racist. Personally I think the term racist has lost all credibility similar with the term far right.

Pretty much my thoughts too.

It's a numbers thing, not a race thing, even immigrants themselves think its getting out of hand.

The Left likes to paint anyone opposing as racist, classic Left wing thoughtcrime dog whistling ironic when considering they are the most hypocritical bigots themselves.
I think reform are racist because they have people running their campaign who talk about machine gunning down immigrants in dinghies, talking about knocking down mosques and replacing them with weatherspoons, calling people with brown skin p*kis, talking about ring fencing Bradford and having all the residents there shot, saying ambulance staff should refuse oxygen to anyone with brown skin etc etc. And that is just from one encounter.

Doesn’t sound like it has anything to do with numbers really, but if you want to convince yourself you aren’t voting for a racist party, whatever lets you sleep at night.


You still haven't addressed house and service shortages ability to cooe with increased numbers, why do you think house prices and rent are increasing exponentially, illegal migrants being put in hotels and camps ? You have no solution to offer except cry "Racist" to shut down any debate, that trope is wearing very thin.
If you think immigrants, illegal or otherwise, are to blame for housing and services shortages, then you really haven’t been paying attention.
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TopperGas wrote:
28 Jun 2024, 17:47
LouBarlow wrote:
28 Jun 2024, 17:08
NWpostie wrote:
28 Jun 2024, 16:39
Nickvilla20 wrote:
28 Jun 2024, 05:58


Because people want less immigration from predominantly 3rd world countries isn’t racism. While immigration can be positive for example my wife emigrated here to work the majority has no benefit to the country at all.

Bring in over 800000 people a year net isn’t healthy for public services and housing stocks. Quite a few who migrate here don’t migrate into British culture either which also annoys people many places for example are just like places from the sub continent but stuck in the middle of a poor working class town.

If you look across Europe and the western world in general immigration is a huge talking point and it really is time western governments did something about it.

The is a reason Reform are doing well is because they are brave enough to talk about the problem with immigration the uni party just want more of the same.

You have extremes in every party because a man who supposedly represents Reform doesn’t like brown people or a Labour supporter hates Jews doesn’t mean the whole party is racist. Personally I think the term racist has lost all credibility similar with the term far right.

Pretty much my thoughts too.

It's a numbers thing, not a race thing, even immigrants themselves think its getting out of hand.

The Left likes to paint anyone opposing as racist, classic Left wing thoughtcrime dog whistling ironic when considering they are the most hypocritical bigots themselves.
I think reform are racist because they have people running their campaign who talk about machine gunning down immigrants in dinghies, talking about knocking down mosques and replacing them with weatherspoons, calling people with brown skin p*kis, talking about ring fencing Bradford and having all the residents there shot, saying ambulance staff should refuse oxygen to anyone with brown skin etc etc. And that is just from one encounter.

Doesn’t sound like it has anything to do with numbers really, but if you want to convince yourself you aren’t voting for a racist party, whatever lets you sleep at night.
Keep up, even Parker has now confirmed he is an actor:

"It appears Mr Parker is an actor who has appeared in a number of films and television adverts. The Channel 4 News undercover report, broadcast on Thursday, said he was a property developer, but Mr Parker on Friday admitted he was also a part-time actor. He lists “secret filming” among his skills."

‘It’s okay guys, he’s an actor, we’re not the baddies.’
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LouBarlow wrote:
28 Jun 2024, 17:08
NWpostie wrote:
28 Jun 2024, 16:39
Nickvilla20 wrote:
28 Jun 2024, 05:58


Because people want less immigration from predominantly 3rd world countries isn’t racism. While immigration can be positive for example my wife emigrated here to work the majority has no benefit to the country at all.

Bring in over 800000 people a year net isn’t healthy for public services and housing stocks. Quite a few who migrate here don’t migrate into British culture either which also annoys people many places for example are just like places from the sub continent but stuck in the middle of a poor working class town.

If you look across Europe and the western world in general immigration is a huge talking point and it really is time western governments did something about it.

The is a reason Reform are doing well is because they are brave enough to talk about the problem with immigration the uni party just want more of the same.

You have extremes in every party because a man who supposedly represents Reform doesn’t like brown people or a Labour supporter hates Jews doesn’t mean the whole party is racist. Personally I think the term racist has lost all credibility similar with the term far right.

Pretty much my thoughts too.

It's a numbers thing, not a race thing, even immigrants themselves think its getting out of hand.

The Left likes to paint anyone opposing as racist, classic Left wing thoughtcrime dog whistling ironic when considering they are the most hypocritical bigots themselves.
I think reform are racist because they have people running their campaign who talk about machine gunning down immigrants in dinghies, talking about knocking down mosques and replacing them with weatherspoons, calling people with brown skin p*kis, talking about ring fencing Bradford and having all the residents there shot, saying ambulance staff should refuse oxygen to anyone with brown skin etc etc. And that is just from one encounter.

Doesn’t sound like it has anything to do with numbers really, but if you want to convince yourself you aren’t voting for a racist party, whatever lets you sleep at night.
👏 well said. Its amusing yet saddening reading some on here trying to intellectually argue in support of Reform and their supporters.
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I wouldn't dream of voting for Reform or Farage in any shape or form, but that doesn't mean that the inevitable calls of "racist" (and what that means) can't be debated, or called out for the cheap debating trick they often/usually are.
Little to do with immigrants, housing, NHS or much else but everything to do with the (self-assumed) moral high ground of the Left.
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Tman wrote:
28 Jun 2024, 18:38
moral high ground of the Left.
I've heard that the Left is right and the Right is racist.
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mjd24 wrote:
28 Jun 2024, 18:14
thefox wrote:
28 Jun 2024, 10:11
As I predicted earlier the racism card getting lobbed about 🤣or should it be realism.
Anyone using the phrase “the racism card getting lobbed about” = probably a racist/scared of foreign people (in my opinion)
You might be right but then again you might be wrong,who knows im voting reform anyhow couldn't care less what you or anyone else thinks of me👍🇬🇧
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I will admit right enough i am very racist against white people who wear those arab scarf things on pro plasticine demos...maybe not racist,more cringing for the sad sacks..maybe not relevant ,just had to get that of my chest...sorry.