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[Rommagic]

News from the cwu today I expect extended pay talks.

[milly]

Milly where within that post has he used his emotions?

You come across far more emotional to me, and always so eager to argue and criticise other people’s often obviously logical posts.

No doubt you will now prove my post totally correct.

You're exactly the same as the other Labour fanboys, you get all emotional when anyone points out the Labour Parties economically suicidal polices.
Red Ed Milliband is now considering using Salary Sacrifice for us to buy heat pumps
I'm sure Salary Sacrifice is better used for funding your Pension than buying a useless heat pump.
And Rachel from accounts is now compelling Pension Funds to invest 5% of defined contribution schemes into Private UK assets
Rachel owns our Pensions now because Labour knows its the final pot of cash for them to squander on their bonkers policies.
By the time Labour are voted out of office the average Royal Mail worker will be either unemployed or on minimum wage thanks to the Labour Party

[RobertT]

And Rachel from accounts is now compelling Pension Funds to invest 5% of defined contribution schemes into Private UK assets

You do like a headline don't you?
It's a shame you haven't bothered to read the details...

It's actually a voluntary thing that 17 pension providers have signed up to and only applies to their default funds anyway.
https://www.pensionsage.com/pa/Mansion- ... d-2025.php

Interestingly, Scottish Widows provider of RM AVC's, have dropped out of the agreement.
https://www.cityam.com/scottish-widows- ... agreement/

[milly]

And Rachel from accounts is now compelling Pension Funds to invest 5% of defined contribution schemes into Private UK assets

You do like a headline don't you?
It's a shame you haven't bothered to read the details...

It's actually a voluntary thing that 17 pension providers have signed up to and only applies to their default funds anyway.
https://www.pensionsage.com/pa/Mansion- ... d-2025.php

Interestingly, Scottish Widows provider of RM AVC's, have dropped out of the agreement.
https://www.cityam.com/scottish-widows- ... agreement/

Voluntary at the moment, but she has threatened to mandate it.
I'm sure I've heard that somewhere before
https://bmmagazine.co.uk/news/rachel-re ... se-accord/

[mjd24]

Milly where within that post has he used his emotions?

You come across far more emotional to me, and always so eager to argue and criticise other people’s often obviously logical posts.

No doubt you will now prove my post totally correct.

You're exactly the same as the other Labour fanboys, you get all emotional when anyone points out the Labour Parties economically suicidal polices.
Red Ed Milliband is now considering using Salary Sacrifice for us to buy heat pumps
I'm sure Salary Sacrifice is better used for funding your Pension than buying a useless heat pump.
And Rachel from accounts is now compelling Pension Funds to invest 5% of defined contribution schemes into Private UK assets
Rachel owns our Pensions now because Labour knows its the final pot of cash for them to squander on their bonkers policies.
By the time Labour are voted out of office the average Royal Mail worker will be either unemployed or on minimum wage thanks to the Labour Party

A modest 5% shift in where pension funds can invest, not must. Into the UK economy.

As for Royal Mail workers ending up unemployed or on minimum wage thanks to Labour . . . Who was it that privatised us?

Im not a Labour fan boy, i just think facts and honesty matter.

[milly]

Milly where within that post has he used his emotions?

You come across far more emotional to me, and always so eager to argue and criticise other people’s often obviously logical posts.

No doubt you will now prove my post totally correct.

You're exactly the same as the other Labour fanboys, you get all emotional when anyone points out the Labour Parties economically suicidal polices.
Red Ed Milliband is now considering using Salary Sacrifice for us to buy heat pumps
I'm sure Salary Sacrifice is better used for funding your Pension than buying a useless heat pump.
And Rachel from accounts is now compelling Pension Funds to invest 5% of defined contribution schemes into Private UK assets
Rachel owns our Pensions now because Labour knows its the final pot of cash for them to squander on their bonkers policies.
By the time Labour are voted out of office the average Royal Mail worker will be either unemployed or on minimum wage thanks to the Labour Party

A modest 5% shift in where pension funds can invest, not must. Into the UK economy.

As for Royal Mail workers ending up unemployed or on minimum wage thanks to Labour . . . Who was it that privatised us?

Im not a Labour fan boy, i just think facts and honesty matter.

The Government has no business in interfering in Pensions, the Tories forced Pension holidays because of the Pension surpluses that had built up, then we had Gordon Brown's Pension dividend raid and now we have the clueless Rachel from accounts meddling in things she doesn't understand.

[RobertT]

And Rachel from accounts is now compelling Pension Funds to invest 5% of defined contribution schemes into Private UK assets

You do like a headline don't you?
It's a shame you haven't bothered to read the details...

It's actually a voluntary thing that 17 pension providers have signed up to and only applies to their default funds anyway.
https://www.pensionsage.com/pa/Mansion- ... d-2025.php

Interestingly, Scottish Widows provider of RM AVC's, have dropped out of the agreement.
https://www.cityam.com/scottish-widows- ... agreement/

Voluntary at the moment, but she has threatened to mandate it.
I'm sure I've heard that somewhere before
https://bmmagazine.co.uk/news/rachel-re ... se-accord/

And that article includes a quote from RR: “I’m never going to say never, but I don’t think it’s necessary.”

It sounds to me as if she's just tying to push them along a bit so she can be seen to be getting her way.

For the record, I don't think anyone with a DC pension should be compelled to invest in anything, however small a percentage it may be.

[milly]

And Rachel from accounts is now compelling Pension Funds to invest 5% of defined contribution schemes into Private UK assets

You do like a headline don't you?
It's a shame you haven't bothered to read the details...

It's actually a voluntary thing that 17 pension providers have signed up to and only applies to their default funds anyway.
https://www.pensionsage.com/pa/Mansion- ... d-2025.php

Interestingly, Scottish Widows provider of RM AVC's, have dropped out of the agreement.
https://www.cityam.com/scottish-widows- ... agreement/

Voluntary at the moment, but she has threatened to mandate it.
I'm sure I've heard that somewhere before
https://bmmagazine.co.uk/news/rachel-re ... se-accord/

And that article includes a quote from RR: “I’m never going to say never, but I don’t think it’s necessary.”

It sounds to me as if she's just tying to push them along a bit so she can be seen to be getting her way.

For the record, I don't think anyone with a DC pension should be compelled to invest in anything, however small a percentage it may be.

Yes, you can always trust a Politician not to go back on their word.

[postslippete]

It's not a difficult concept to understand, an oversupply of labour caused by mass immigration leads to lower wages.
Maybe if you used logic and reason rather than your emotions you'd be able to think more clearly.
Massive rises to the minimum wage plus Rachels job tax are decimating jobs, the only jobs Labour know how to create are jobs in the public sector which in turn raise our taxes making us poorer.
As for the Greens they're actually more insane than Ed Milliband .

Milly, if oversupply of labour meant lower wages then we wouldn't have both labour shortages and lower pay. There isn't an oversupply of labour in the NHS, hospitality, agriculture and the transport sector and yet many of these jobs still offer low pay. By your logic of supply and demand they should really be on higher wages - but they aren't. And the reason is that labour markets don't operate like fruit stalls but are shaped by laws, contracts, power and politics.

I'm not sure what evidence you have that minimum wagę rises causes mass job losses as they often stimulate demand by encouraging people to get into work. The "jobs tax" might hit some businesses who claim that they can't afford it, but those same companies can clearly afford to pay out dividends and bonuses to senior managers! It's not a lack of money, it's about where the money goes.

And lastly, calling the Green Party "insane" doesn't explain anything. If investing in jobs, renationalising public industries and taxing millionaires is 'insane' - then what do you call handing £600 million to RM's shareholders while cutting posties wages or collapsing the NHS with private contracts? At least the Greens have the balls to try something different to what the other main parties are doing. Unfortunately though, we have a broken political system which locks these smaller parties out, the mainstream media only focuses on what the powerful want debated and the irony is that if people stop voting tactically and start voting for what they actually believe in then they might just break through - just like UKIP did (with far worse ideas).

[qwerty2]

News from the cwu today I expect extended pay talks.

Because they’ve run out of biscuits

[milly]

It's not a difficult concept to understand, an oversupply of labour caused by mass immigration leads to lower wages.
Maybe if you used logic and reason rather than your emotions you'd be able to think more clearly.
Massive rises to the minimum wage plus Rachels job tax are decimating jobs, the only jobs Labour know how to create are jobs in the public sector which in turn raise our taxes making us poorer.
As for the Greens they're actually more insane than Ed Milliband .

Milly, if oversupply of labour meant lower wages then we wouldn't have both labour shortages and lower pay. There isn't an oversupply of labour in the NHS, hospitality, agriculture and the transport sector and yet many of these jobs still offer low pay. By your logic of supply and demand they should really be on higher wages - but they aren't. And the reason is that labour markets don't operate like fruit stalls but are shaped by laws, contracts, power and politics.

I'm not sure what evidence you have that minimum wagę rises causes mass job losses as they often stimulate demand by encouraging people to get into work. The "jobs tax" might hit some businesses who claim that they can't afford it, but those same companies can clearly afford to pay out dividends and bonuses to senior managers! It's not a lack of money, it's about where the money goes.

And lastly, calling the Green Party "insane" doesn't explain anything. If investing in jobs, renationalising public industries and taxing millionaires is 'insane' - then what do you call handing £600 million to RM's shareholders while cutting posties wages or collapsing the NHS with private contracts? At least the Greens have the balls to try something different to what the other main parties are doing. Unfortunately though, we have a broken political system which locks these smaller parties out, the mainstream media only focuses on what the powerful want debated and the irony is that if people stop voting tactically and start voting for what they actually believe in then they might just break through - just like UKIP did (with far worse ideas).

We haven't got Labour shortages hence why most jobs now are minimum wage.
Of course the minimum wage destroys jobs, especially if its set too high, employers will let staff go, reduce hours or automate.
Politicians are in general, greedy and self-serving liars but you seem to trust them to centrally plan everything
As for the Greens, their net zero policies are totally insane, Red Ed has managed to increase our energy prices quite significantly in fact I believe our energy costs are amongst the highest in the world,but no doubt the Greens could make it worse.

[postslippete]

We haven't got Labour shortages hence why most jobs now are minimum wage.
Of course the minimum wage destroys jobs, especially if its set too high, employers will let staff go, reduce hours or automate.
Politicians are in general, greedy and self-serving liars but you seem to trust them to centrally plan everything
As for the Greens, their net zero policies are totally insane, Red Ed has managed to increase our energy prices quite significantly in fact I believe our energy costs are amongst the highest in the world,but no doubt the Greens could make it worse.

So wages are low because there are too many people, and prices are high because of....Net Zero? Not corporate greed, broken markets or political failure - just immigrants and wind turbines.


Let's be clear - we absolutely do have labour shortages in key sectors.


A CBI survey found that 71% of UK businesses reported labour shortages in the past year.

https://www.cbi.org.uk/articles/the-uk- ... r-strain/

The healthcare sector, including nursing and social care, is experiencing serious staffing gaps

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 ... -crackdown

Construction, hospitality and tourism are also struggling to recruit, due to a lack of domestic interest

https://info.datumrpo.com/blog/labour-s ... t-affected


So no, the fact that so many jobs are on min wage isn't proof of "too many workers" - it's proof of employer power. Employers don't raise pay unless they're forced to, and our current laws are too weak to make them. Study after study, including the UK's own Low Pay Commission, shows that modest increases to the min wage have little to no impact on employment

https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... port-2024

What they do achieve is reduced in-work poverty and have boosted local economies because when low-paid workers earn more, they actually spend it, and that lifts demand in the real economy

Yes I agree that politicians can be greedy and self serving but your answer seems to be "Let's have no rules, no protections and let Amazon run the show". Genius plan.

Not saying the Greens are perfect but at least they are focussed on building things rather than blaming others or selling off what's left. So if choosing between "insane" ideas like public ownership, fair wages and clean energy over crumbling services, billionaire landlords and sewage in the rivers, then yeah, I'll take the insanity.

[milly]

We haven't got Labour shortages hence why most jobs now are minimum wage.
Of course the minimum wage destroys jobs, especially if its set too high, employers will let staff go, reduce hours or automate.
Politicians are in general, greedy and self-serving liars but you seem to trust them to centrally plan everything
As for the Greens, their net zero policies are totally insane, Red Ed has managed to increase our energy prices quite significantly in fact I believe our energy costs are amongst the highest in the world,but no doubt the Greens could make it worse.

So wages are low because there are too many people, and prices are high because of....Net Zero? Not corporate greed, broken markets or political failure - just immigrants and wind turbines.


Let's be clear - we absolutely do have labour shortages in key sectors.


A CBI survey found that 71% of UK businesses reported labour shortages in the past year.

https://www.cbi.org.uk/articles/the-uk- ... r-strain/

The healthcare sector, including nursing and social care, is experiencing serious staffing gaps

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 ... -crackdown

Construction, hospitality and tourism are also struggling to recruit, due to a lack of domestic interest

https://info.datumrpo.com/blog/labour-s ... t-affected


So no, the fact that so many jobs are on min wage isn't proof of "too many workers" - it's proof of employer power. Employers don't raise pay unless they're forced to, and our current laws are too weak to make them. Study after study, including the UK's own Low Pay Commission, shows that modest increases to the min wage have little to no impact on employment

https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... port-2024

What they do achieve is reduced in-work poverty and have boosted local economies because when low-paid workers earn more, they actually spend it, and that lifts demand in the real economy

Yes I agree that politicians can be greedy and self serving but your answer seems to be "Let's have no rules, no protections and let Amazon run the show". Genius plan.

Not saying the Greens are perfect but at least they are focussed on building things rather than blaming others or selling off what's left. So if choosing between "insane" ideas like public ownership, fair wages and clean energy over crumbling services, billionaire landlords and sewage in the rivers, then yeah, I'll take the insanity.

Well you're in luck, because Labour are implementing many of your crackpot ideas, such as Net Zero and mass immigration
I never mentioned large corporations running the show, in fact many of them need broken up so competition can thrive, nor did I mention that we ought have no rules or regulations.
You seem to read into a lot of things I've never said.

[world class male]

i believe it was the labour party who first put the idea to privatise the post office/royal mail, mandleson i think,the coalition simply followed it up,
anyone who like myself just believes that it's lies lies and more lies from every single politician no matter which party they belong to, they are simply in it for themselves
i thought that pr!ck jones who grilled our ceo in that meeting the other year seemed ok until labour got control and he's never thought another minute on the RM situation
no matter what political party is in charge, our job is simply to try to see it through until you can maybe retire, there is absolutely no incentive for any newcomer to stay within the company due to the 2 tier workforce that our labour backed union said would never happen
the pay for full time minimum wage is roughly the same has 30 odd hours with RM with an hour or so added on
absolutley no incentive to try and be loyal to a now foreign owned company

[postslippete]

Well you're in luck, because Labour are implementing many of your crackpot ideas, such as Net Zero and mass immigration
I never mentioned large corporations running the show, in fact many of them need broken up so competition can thrive, nor did I mention that we ought have no rules or regulations.
You seem to read into a lot of things I've never said.

Milly, I've read enough of your posts in the past to get a clear enough picture.

Net Zero isn't some fringe obsession as every major country is moving in that direction And cutting immigration without fixing pay and conditions will just make things worse because the UK does have shortages in health, care, logistics and agriculture. And yes I get your views on immigration, it does need to be managed properly and it hasn't for years but blaming them for every major issue from housing to wages lets the ones who are actually pulling the strings off the hook.

If you're saying you support some rules, some regulation and that corporate power needs reining in, that's great, as it's not far off what I was saying from the start.

So maybe we don't disagree on as much as it first seemed, we just differ on who we think is really to blame when the systems's failing.