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'Living With Covid' Government Announcement

Following the government announcement yesterday on ‘Living with Covid’, we have considered the impact of this announcement on Royal Mail and how we manage Covid absences.

Throughout the pandemic, we have consistently followed government guidance and provided a comprehensive range of support for our people. Yesterday, the government announcement clearly set out the expectation that Covid will become part of everyday life and needs to be treated in the same way as other types of sickness. In line with this updated guidance, we are therefore changing our approach.

From 24 February 2022, colleagues will no longer be legally required to self-isolate. If you test positive for Covid, you are still advised to stay at home and avoid contact with others for at least five full days. It will not be necessary for you to provide evidence of a positive test, although you can if you wish to do so. You will however need to complete an absence self-declaration form for any absence of seven days or less. For absences of more than seven days, you should obtain a fit note from your GP. This is in line with our normal approach to sickness absence.

In addition, any Covid-related absences which start on or after 1 March 2022, may count towards Royal Mail’s attendance procedure. This is in line with the normal approach taken for all other sickness absences.

In relation to the different types of Covid-related absence, the following changes will also take place:
Self-isolation – there is no longer a legal requirement to self-isolate and therefore managers should no longer use this absence code. Absences should be recorded against ‘Confirmed Case’ or ‘Symptoms’ under Covid on PSP. If colleagues are required to self-isolate prior to a medical procedure on the advice of the NHS, then managers should record this absence against ‘Pre-treatment S/Iso’ under Covid on PSP. These absences should be considered alongside the primary reason for the absence under the Attendance Procedure (i.e. not treated as two separate absences).

Symptoms – if you have symptoms of Covid-19, you have a personal responsibility to protect yourself and others by staying at home. Absences should be recorded against ‘Symptoms’ on PSP and employees are required to self-certify up to seven days and provide a fit note from their GP thereafter. These absences may be considered as part of the Attendance Procedure, in the normal way.

Vaccine reaction – these should be treated in the same way as ‘Symptoms’ but recorded as ‘Vaccination reaction’ under Covid on PSP.

Between now and 1 April, colleagues should continue to order tests and test themselves where appropriate. From 1 April, mass testing in England will cease.

It is important that we continue to support vulnerable colleagues through the following preventative measures:

Get vaccinated – if you haven’t already, get vaccinated including your booster dose.
Wash your hands – doing this regularly is critical, for 20 seconds each time.
Use face coverings – consider using a face covering to protect yourself and others, particularly where people have health vulnerabilities.
Clean your vehicle – at the start and end of duties.
Increase ventilation - ventilation reduces the concentration of the virus in the air and reduces the risk from airborne transmission. It is still important to get as much fresh air into buildings as possible. For further guidance on ventilation, visit the P&FS Guidance on the SharePoint pages.

Changes have been announced today for Scotland. A further communication for colleagues in Scotland will follow before these changes come into effect on 21 March. We await an announcement from Northern Ireland and Wales. In the meantime, the current arrangements do not change in the devolved nations. Where colleagues live/work in different nations, line managers should seek advice from the People Case Advice Team.

Thank you.

Dr Shaun Davis
Director of Safety
Liam,

Thank you for your email.

Royal Mail has confirmed that, for England, Covid related absence which occurs after 24th Feb (i.e. the date that Covid restrictions were down-dialled) may be counted towards the attendance procedure.

We’ve also confirmed that there is an expectation that employees will continue to follow the government guidelines, which state that individuals who test positive for Covid should self-isolate for at least 5 days. For clarity though, an individual is not prevented from attending for work. A responsible employee should follow the government guidelines and self-isolate, but they don’t have to do so.

A manager does not have to count such absences towards an attendance review, so my advice would be that employees who remain absent in order to protect the health of their colleagues continue to raise this as mitigation as part of the attendance procedure. Whether or not to award the attendance review is at the discretion of the manager, and it will depend on a number of factors – including (but not limited to) the amount of Covid related absence that the employee has already taken over the last two years and whether or not this is below or above the norm.

Kind Regards.

James. Coronavirus Support Team
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“May count towards Royal Mail’s attendance procedure”

It either does or it doesn’t.
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Clappedoutpostie wrote:
22 Feb 2022, 21:47
“May count towards Royal Mail’s attendance procedure”

It either does or it doesn’t.
Suppose it's the same as a stage 1 where a manager could use discretion.It ain't happening.
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We all know at some point it’s going to lead to people with covid continuing to come to work. Is someone already on a stage 2 who wakes up with mild cold like symptoms really going to go sick and risk losing their job if they feel physically well enough to work even though the symptoms could be caused by covid?
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If you test positive for Covid, you are still advised to stay at home and avoid contact with others for at least five full days.

In addition, any Covid-related absences which start on or after 1 March 2022, may count towards Royal Mail’s attendance procedure.

Symptoms – if you have symptoms of Covid-19, you have a personal responsibility to protect yourself and others by staying at home.


w*****s, make your mind up!

Strongly suggest you keep note of this thread or download the pdf I just made for it.
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What’s the chances of this going tits up with a nasty variant !
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Haditup wrote:
23 Feb 2022, 16:58
What’s the chances of this going tits up with a nasty variant !
There's always going to be some variant around, Covid is never going to go away. It's going to end up like flu where they create a vaccine each year against the worst dozen or so variants of that year
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Might be way off the mark here.But ST has hinted on workplace that 'maybe the sick policy' needs to be looked at. Wouldn't surprise me if at a later date they try to change the sick policy and this statement falls right in to that.They know staff numbers of sick will be high going forward and try to attack the sick terms.
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I think if I test positive for Covid I will contact the office and tell them I have covid but I’m fit for work. I will then leave the decision up to Royal Mail. I won’t be taking time off if it can contribute towards a possible dismissal.

If I then come to work I will inform all staff that I have covid and Royal Mail have not told me to stay off work.

Does that sound fair?
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OPG
Hi Shaun, you mentioned that absences due to Covid symptoms "may" be considered as part of the Attendance Procedure, could you clarify this statement please?

OPG
Over a million people in the UK are living with long COVID. Surely some of them will be protected by the Equality Act. Do we know how many staff are currently off sick with long COVID? Will they be forced back to work prematurely?

OPG
So with the high absence rate massively effecting our quality of service, we're almost forcing the hand of some to attend work if they have mild covid as they might not want it to go on their record, then spreading infection around the office leading to more people off.

Team Leader Business
If one of my direct reports asks if they can come to work with a positive test because they have no symptoms, are fit to work and they want to avoid the possibility of an AR, what should my response be?. If I am to say no can I reasonably count that towards an AR. If I say yes, do I take any other measures to stop the spread in the workplace and keep the rest of our employees safe?. Thank You.

OPG
I’m clinically extremely vulnerable. If somebody knows they have Covid but chooses to come to work with it because of their attendance record I wouldn’t be going anywhere near them never mind out on delivery in a shared van with them. Understand it’s hard to get the balance right and we do have to learn to live with it but I wouldn’t be happy with it. Where would I stand??

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Hi all - I have seen all your comments, we are working through them and I will provide a video update this morning, thanks all.

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Shaun 'I learned everything off Boris' Davis

So following the government advice it was issued, we have to kind of essentially learn to live with covid in our midst and they have produced a living with a covered plan that you can see on the government website.

We will be moving to a stage where we are treating covered absences in the same ways as we treat other absence. chickenpox measels

The intent of the attendance procedure is that it helps people understand helps managers understand why people are being off work and what can be done to support their reintegration into work.

Which is why you have the welcome back meeting and the attendance review 1 and attendance review 2.

So if you feel you got symptoms, you should have a test. and if you are positive then stay at home, but in the same way as if you have a really heavy cold or flu, you shouldn't really be bringing that into work, sharing that around either.

So whilst the legal requirement for our isolation has been removed the kind of ethical and moral aspect hasn't.

My message to colleagues who live with people that are vulnerable to think about all the existing principles, so regularly washing your hands and work surfaces, making sure that you cover your mouth and nose when you cough or sneeze or you test and you're positive but with no symptoms, still making sure that you're protecting the vulnerable people that you may be coming into contact with.

So remember all those, all those principles of hands, face space ventilate, and vaccinate

What we will continue to do as we have done all the way through our communication is make sure that we provide you with the central government guidance update so that you're fully in the picture, fully aware of what the circumstances are.

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Didn't the law change with regards to fit notes, and now you do not require one for the first 28 days as you can self certificate for that duration.
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When I test positive for covid, can I work from home until I feel better?
I could maybe repurpose my living room as a sorting area and practice sorting etc.
Or some training involving carrying a rucksack up and down my staircase 50 times.
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daambi wrote:
24 Feb 2022, 13:33
Didn't the law change with regards to fit notes, and now you do not require one for the first 28 days as you can self certificate for that duration.
No it's changed back to normal.
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Cucumber wrote:
24 Feb 2022, 13:39
When I test positive for covid, can I work from home until I feel better?
I could maybe repurpose my living room as a sorting area and practice sorting etc.
Or some training involving carrying a rucksack up and down my staircase 50 times.
The wife/husband could stand there with a clipboard and leave you customer collections (washing) at the top of the stairs.
The day is gonna come when we’re all gonna have to testify.

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