privileges committee re Johnson lier or denier?

[mjd24]

Have you ever looked into why certain people can never question authority and will always be compliant to people they feel inferior to?

And there it is, the inevitable "final say" of every Conspiracy Theorist.
"I know more than you, and you're just a compliant fool" in other words.
Maybe you should post the usual "do some research" and we'll have seen all the C/T cliche's?

Which conspiracy are you referring to?
One thing I do know is always be sceptical of people in authority and judging by Matt Hancock's leaked messages I am right to hold those views.
Not once has anyone countered any of my arguments.

Which messages in particular?

[milly]

Have you ever looked into why certain people can never question authority and will always be compliant to people they feel inferior to?

And there it is, the inevitable "final say" of every Conspiracy Theorist.
"I know more than you, and you're just a compliant fool" in other words.
Maybe you should post the usual "do some research" and we'll have seen all the C/T cliche's?

Which conspiracy are you referring to?
One thing I do know is always be sceptical of people in authority and judging by Matt Hancock's leaked messages I am right to hold those views.
Not once has anyone countered any of my arguments.

Which messages in particular?

I posted one upthread but I'm sure you can use Google to do a little more research yourself.

[Barnacle]

HOUSE!

[milly]

HOUSE!

Still no cogent arguments from you, any chance of you formulating a reasoned rebuttle or does your social programming make this impossible.

[fluxburner]

Our government made mistakes at the start of the pandemic and throughout. Delaying the start of lockdown, giving contracts to mates and donors, throwing money around like confetti etc. All of these errors and the scale of them need to be accounted for and audited.

However, there is no denying that Covid was indeed deadly and it was untreatable at first. Hundreds of thousands died, who would not have otherwise. Thousands are still ill with long Covid.

Denying the threat to health and life that Covid posed, is tin foil hat territory.

I'm afraid the evidence doesn't back up your claim that the Pandemic was deadly as the Media portrayed, it has a similar CFR to Influenza.
Lockdowns don't work, Masks don't work and the Jabs don't work and look to be very dangerous.
I would be interested to hear your thoughts why we now have high excess death rates in highly Jabbed Countries especially the ones the used the Novel mRNA technology.
Btw calling people conspiracy theorists , tin foil hat wearers, trans-phobic, homophobic or racist won't win you any arguments, it's a tactic used by clueless people.
Try debating using facts and logic.

With your degrees in virology and pharmacology you are wasted at Royal Mail.

Like I said try to debate with me using logic and reason rather trying to insult me, it doesn't make you look good.
Have you any idea why highly jabbed Countries have high excess deaths across all age groups since the Jab rollout?
Another couple of questions for you, why did the UK Government withdraw the AZ Jab in July 2022 and why are the Government no longer permitting the use of Boosters for the under 50's.
Please try and answer without being abusive, be kind.

This tells me you don't know what you are talking about. Excess deaths across all age groups after a pandemic have been discussed in scientific papers since the 1920's. We still don't understand why. I would suggest some cursory research on your part may be in order.
I am fully expecting you to expect me to provide links to my statement. I'm not going to.
Why? Because If you truly are a truth seeker you will read what I have stated and investigate it for yourself rather than going full "Daily Express"
It also tells me that you watch the Doctor chap on you tube, who I'm sorry to say, forgets to mention data from Australia (whom he specifically mentions) and that data proves him wrong.
Concerning the UK he does not mention the conclusión of the British Heart Foundation which also proves him wrong.
As for your statement "lockdowns don't work, masks don't work, jabs dont work" nothing is 100% Perfect.
So lets just let any virus run rampant maybe Smallpox, Measels, Ebola, Polio.
BTW Influenza is not a joke. This really pisses me off. "Its only the flu" Its comparable to the flu" No it isn't.
INFLUENZA kills hundreds of thousands World Wide.
Of course it would kill more but for vaccination, mask wearing and sanitation. You seem to be against these measures to control a potentially lethal virus.

[milly]

Our government made mistakes at the start of the pandemic and throughout. Delaying the start of lockdown, giving contracts to mates and donors, throwing money around like confetti etc. All of these errors and the scale of them need to be accounted for and audited.

However, there is no denying that Covid was indeed deadly and it was untreatable at first. Hundreds of thousands died, who would not have otherwise. Thousands are still ill with long Covid.

Denying the threat to health and life that Covid posed, is tin foil hat territory.

I'm afraid the evidence doesn't back up your claim that the Pandemic was deadly as the Media portrayed, it has a similar CFR to Influenza.
Lockdowns don't work, Masks don't work and the Jabs don't work and look to be very dangerous.
I would be interested to hear your thoughts why we now have high excess death rates in highly Jabbed Countries especially the ones the used the Novel mRNA technology.
Btw calling people conspiracy theorists , tin foil hat wearers, trans-phobic, homophobic or racist won't win you any arguments, it's a tactic used by clueless people.
Try debating using facts and logic.

With your degrees in virology and pharmacology you are wasted at Royal Mail.

Like I said try to debate with me using logic and reason rather trying to insult me, it doesn't make you look good.
Have you any idea why highly jabbed Countries have high excess deaths across all age groups since the Jab rollout?
Another couple of questions for you, why did the UK Government withdraw the AZ Jab in July 2022 and why are the Government no longer permitting the use of Boosters for the under 50's.
Please try and answer without being abusive, be kind.

This tells me you don't know what you are talking about. Excess deaths across all age groups after a pandemic have been discussed in scientific papers since the 1920's. We still don't understand why. I would suggest some cursory research on your part may be in order.
I am fully expecting you to expect me to provide links to my statement. I'm not going to.
Why? Because If you truly are a truth seeker you will read what I have stated and investigate it for yourself rather than going full "Daily Express"
It also tells me that you watch the Doctor chap on you tube, who I'm sorry to say, forgets to mention data from Australia (whom he specifically mentions) and that data proves him wrong.
Concerning the UK he does not mention the conclusión of the British Heart Foundation which also proves him wrong.
As for your statement "lockdowns don't work, masks don't work, jabs dont work" nothing is 100% Perfect.
So lets just let any virus run rampant maybe Smallpox, Measels, Ebola, Polio.
BTW Influenza is not a joke. This really pisses me off. "Its only the flu" Its comparable to the flu" No it isn't.
INFLUENZA kills hundreds of thousands World Wide.
Of course it would kill more but for vaccination, mask wearing and sanitation. You seem to be against these measures to control a potentially lethal virus.

"So lets just let any virus run rampant maybe Smallpox, Measels, Ebola, Polio".

None of those diseases are respiratory illnesses, false equivalence I'm afraid.
The virus is only lethal for those with comorbidities and the elderly just like Influenza.
I'm sorry that you still buy into the hysteria.

[SpacePhoenix]

The number of deaths figures for Covid are tbqf complete bulls**t as they lump together those who died of something else but happened to have Covid at the time together with those who actually died of Covid.

[Barnacle]

The number of deaths figures for Covid are tbqf complete bulls**t as they lump together those who died of something else but happened to have Covid at the time together with those who actually died of Covid.

That’s why it is better to look at the figures for excess deaths the world over, in the years leading up to Covid and then when the pandemic hits. The numbers are undeniable.

[FilthyBloke]

The number of deaths figures for Covid are tbqf complete bulls**t as they lump together those who died of something else but happened to have Covid at the time together with those who actually died of Covid.

That’s why it is better to look at the figures for excess deaths the world over, in the years leading up to Covid and then when the pandemic hits. The numbers are undeniable.

Excess deaths are up now and apparently it’s because people missed hospital appointments and such but those same hospitals were shut during the pandemic and so excess deaths during that period can’t be blamed solely on covid either.
Covid and Matt Hancock pretty much ensured that the old and vulnerable people were picked off.

For example since 2011 the population in care homes has gone up each year by around 20,000. About 290,000 in 2011 and in 2020 there were 490,000. So now, in 2023 it should be about 530,000 or so…
But it isn’t.
According to ONS it’s 408,000.
A shortfall of 120,000 during the covid years.

According to ONS there has been 220,000 covid deaths. So either the care home residents got up and walked out one day or something happened to kill them off (covid or Hancock?).

Also on ONS excess deaths for years 2020-2022 was 137,000. So if 120,000 of those were in care homes…. Then that leaves 17,000 deaths who happened to have a positive test 28 days before.

[Barnacle]

The number of deaths figures for Covid are tbqf complete bulls**t as they lump together those who died of something else but happened to have Covid at the time together with those who actually died of Covid.

That’s why it is better to look at the figures for excess deaths the world over, in the years leading up to Covid and then when the pandemic hits. The numbers are undeniable.

Excess deaths are up now and apparently it’s because people missed hospital appointments and such but those same hospitals were shut during the pandemic and so excess deaths during that period can’t be blamed solely on covid either.
Covid and Matt Hancock pretty much ensured that the old and vulnerable people were picked off.

For example since 2011 the population in care homes has gone up each year by around 20,000. About 290,000 in 2011 and in 2020 there were 490,000. So now, in 2023 it should be about 530,000 or so…
But it isn’t.
According to ONS it’s 408,000.
A shortfall of 120,000 during the covid years.

According to ONS there has been 220,000 covid deaths. So either the care home residents got up and walked out one day or something happened to kill them off (covid or Hancock?).

Also on ONS excess deaths for years 2020-2022 was 137,000. So if 120,000 of those were in care homes…. Then that leaves 17,000 deaths who happened to have a positive test 28 days before.

I meant the excess death figures for the world, not just the UK. The figures for the countries monitored by the WHO cumulatively show the increase in excess deaths due to Covid and can be compared to the years prior to Covid.

[Woody Guthrie]

If people spent as much time and effort researching something productive the world would probably be a better place.

It's never anything positive is it?

I think it's always a good thing to question anything but just as foolish to accept one version of the truth over another simply because it suits your own narrative.

The Internet is full of conflicting evidence about everything from Shergar and Jimmy Hoffa to Covid and 15 minute cities. For this reason it is not a reliable source of information any more than Matt Hancock or David Ike.

Rather than constantly posting copy and paste jobs or dubious links and then attempting to portray themselves as an expert in the field it would be more useful if people just said I have a different opinion and left it at that.

[Caesar]

This tells me you don't know what you are talking about. Excess deaths across all age groups after a pandemic have been discussed in scientific papers since the 1920's. We still don't understand why. I would suggest some cursory research on your part may be in order.
I am fully expecting you to expect me to provide links to my statement. I'm not going to.
Why? Because If you truly are a truth seeker you will read what I have stated and investigate it for yourself rather than going full "Daily Express"

Have you ever considered that it may be the treatment that is causing the excess deaths and that the new mRNA vaccines could be more toxic than previous vaccines.

[Woody Guthrie]

The real vanity of the seer of truth is that everyone else is blind.

[FilthyBloke]

This tells me you don't know what you are talking about. Excess deaths across all age groups after a pandemic have been discussed in scientific papers since the 1920's. We still don't understand why. I would suggest some cursory research on your part may be in order.
I am fully expecting you to expect me to provide links to my statement. I'm not going to.
Why? Because If you truly are a truth seeker you will read what I have stated and investigate it for yourself rather than going full "Daily Express"

Have you ever considered that it may be the treatment that is causing the excess deaths and that the new mRNA vaccines could be more toxic than previous vaccines.

After the report on AstraZeneca a few weeks back it seems the people who wanted to wait for ‘long term data’ were right. Most didn’t need the vaccine at all.

[DonkeyOT]

My buddy in the office persuaded me finally to sign up to this forum. He said there are some hilarious threads with comments from some real delusional nutjobs. I see he's right. OMG. Here's my go:
Princess Diana was killed off because she found out about the CIA plans to bomb the twin towers, making it look like an external terrorist attack. The original plan was to blame China, but there was a last minute change to convince the world otherwise. It then took a couple of decades before the CIA, in conjunction with their chief adviser, Elvis Presley, came up with the invention of a pandemic. China could finally be made the enemy. Not only that, a vaccine could then be created, one that secretly contained a serum that interfered with peoples' belief system. Recipients became absolutely convinced that the earth is spherical. No way did the authorities want people to realise that the earth is in fact flat.