Shorter week revisions timeline

[Grumpyoldmailman]

How is this going to work in practice. Say Office A gets their revisions done and in place by April 2021. Office B doesn’t get theirs done until September 2021. Does Office A get their shorter working week in April 2021 as they have done their bit or do they have to wait until Office B (and any other office in the country) has got theirs done. Hope that makes sense. How is this practical going to be rolled out nationwide?

[worktotime]

How is this going to work in practice. Say Office A gets their revisions done and in place by April 2021. Office B doesn’t get theirs done until September 2021. Does Office A get their shorter working week in April 2021 as they have done their bit or do they have to wait until Office B (and any other office in the country) has got theirs done. Hope that makes sense. How is this practical going to be rolled out nationwide?

its an absolute piss take it should have been done NATIONALLY come April and not based on any revision bullshit , and like you say i was talking to guy on collections in our patch and they have already done theres so he said come April they will lose they hour off the week , but our orrifice is a mess and has been for about 10yrs but it got even worse so we wont have a chance of getting the hour as they will have to put deliverys back in , and i have asked these questions to the cwu people at the top regarding this and had nothing back so its pissing me off , we work for the same company but some will be working a 37 hr week and some a 38hr week and if your on a 37 hr week you get get annual leave hours back as the leave was based on a 38 hr week .

[Sugar]

How is this going to work in practice. Say Office A gets their revisions done and in place by April 2021. Office B doesn’t get theirs done until September 2021. Does Office A get their shorter working week in April 2021 as they have done their bit or do they have to wait until Office B (and any other office in the country) has got theirs done. Hope that makes sense. How is this practical going to be rolled out nationwide?

its an absolute piss take it should have been done NATIONALLY come April and not based on any revision bullshit , and like you say i was talking to guy on collections in our patch and they have already done theres so he said come April they will lose they hour off the week , but our orrifice is a mess and has been for about 10yrs but it got even worse so we wont have a chance of getting the hour as they will have to put deliverys back in , and i have asked these questions to the cwu people at the top regarding this and had nothing back so its pissing me off , we work for the same company but some will be working a 37 hr week and some a 38hr week and if your on a 37 hr week you get get annual leave hours back as the leave was based on a 38 hr week .

And if Office A gets theirs done pretty quickly then offices B C D and E will have the usual suspects screaming at the reps and managers to get theirs done because they are missing out on an even earlier finish so those offices will end up with a rushed table top revision that's full of corner cutting and badly inputted data. Seen it all before and its always those already on the worst walks (and not managers little favourites) that'll end up suffering the most.

[Cucumber]

Where do people get shorter working day = earlier finish from?

It will simply be a later start, 12 mins a day.

[Grumpyoldmailman]

i was talking to guy on collections in our patch and they have already done theres so he said come April they will lose they hour off the week , but our orrifice is a mess and has been for about 10yrs but it got even worse so we wont have a chance of getting the hour

The union should put out some guidance on how it’s going to work. Can their payroll system even support a shorter week (and higher hourly rate) in one office but not another.

[TrueBlueTerrier]

How is this going to work in practice. Say Office A gets their revisions done and in place by April 2021. Office B doesn’t get theirs done until September 2021. Does Office A get their shorter working week in April 2021 as they have done their bit or do they have to wait until Office B (and any other office in the country) has got theirs done. Hope that makes sense. How is this practical going to be rolled out nationwide?

Yes as soon as the revision is in place the office gets its 1 hr reduction

i was talking to guy on collections in our patch and they have already done theres so he said come April they will lose they hour off the week , but our orrifice is a mess and has been for about 10yrs but it got even worse so we wont have a chance of getting the hour

The union should put out some guidance on how it’s going to work. Can their payroll system even support a shorter week (and higher hourly rate) in one office but not another.

They did okay the last time it happened, so my guess is they can this time.

t some will be working a 37 hr week and some a 38hr week and if your on a 37 hr week you get get annual leave hours back as the leave was based on a 38 hr week .

When your contract changes to a 37 hour week then your leave entitlement will also drop to a 37 hour week. Any difference between the accrued leave will depend on when in the leave year your office changes over. In the past, I think they carried the can on anyone taking excess leave, but at an absolute maximum, it will only be 6 hours difference anyway.

[worktotime]

How is this going to work in practice. Say Office A gets their revisions done and in place by April 2021. Office B doesn’t get theirs done until September 2021. Does Office A get their shorter working week in April 2021 as they have done their bit or do they have to wait until Office B (and any other office in the country) has got theirs done. Hope that makes sense. How is this practical going to be rolled out nationwide?

Yes as soon as the revision is in place the office gets its 1 hr reduction

i was talking to guy on collections in our patch and they have already done theres so he said come April they will lose they hour off the week , but our orrifice is a mess and has been for about 10yrs but it got even worse so we wont have a chance of getting the hour

The union should put out some guidance on how it’s going to work. Can their payroll system even support a shorter week (and higher hourly rate) in one office but not another.

They did okay the last time it happened, so my guess is they can this time.

t some will be working a 37 hr week and some a 38hr week and if your on a 37 hr week you get get annual leave hours back as the leave was based on a 38 hr week .

When your contract changes to a 37 hour week then your leave entitlement will also drop to a 37 hour week. Any difference between the accrued leave will depend on when in the leave year your office changes over. In the past, I think they carried the can on anyone taking excess leave, but at an absolute maximum, it will only be 6 hours difference anyway.

well it would be April when your leave would start for this year anyway, but when you are longs and shorts i actually lost 1 hr 50 mins from my total hours from my annual leave hours due to what day off i would have had in that week , so thats why i asked as all our leave was based on a 38 hour week for this year , so we might get more hours back for leave with a 37 hr week .

[Sugar]

Where do people get shorter working day = earlier finish from?

It will simply be a later start, 12 mins a day.

Current 38 hours down to the new 37 hour week. So in the minds of those that kill the job or have "easier" duties this will be forefront in their minds.

[Coffee lover]

Where do people get shorter working day = earlier finish from?

It will simply be a later start, 12 mins a day.

Yes that’s what happened last time and guess what people still came in early so it made no difference to size of walks in fact we had more lapsing

[citypostie]

Where do people get shorter working day = earlier finish from?

It will simply be a later start, 12 mins a day.

Yes that’s what happened last time and guess what people still came in early so it made no difference to size of walks in fact we had more lapsing

That's exactly why the take the time off the start, because people will just keep starting at the same time. People wouldn't just keep working to the old finish time if it was taken off the end

[Coffee lover]

Where do people get shorter working day = earlier finish from?

It will simply be a later start, 12 mins a day.

Yes that’s what happened last time and guess what people still came in early so it made no difference to size of walks in fact we had more lapsing

That's exactly why the take the time off the start, because people will just keep starting at the same time. People wouldn't just keep working to the old finish time if it was taken off the end

Yes I agree it seems that last time there was literally 2 of us who actually came in on the new start time, it just about sums up the attitude of people who it seems bizarrely are happy to work for free but I don’t

[Martin Walsh]

The shorter working week will cost Royal Mail 82 million , it was never going to be deployed in all offices at the same time as Royal Mail wanted a revision based on it.

In Deliveries your either in the 400 delivery offices who are having a structural revision or your in the other 900 who will be having a table top revision.

In the 9 RDCs and 37 mail Centres you will receive the SWW once you have done your realignment revision. In Area Distribution you will get your SWW based on a PAD revision, similar for network drivers they will get the SWW once a network review kicks in . Collections drivers will achieve it when the next phase of boxes go to Collections on delivery.

Remember the SWW is worth 2.6% and is the reason why the 2021 pay deal is 1% . The aim is for every office to have the reduction in the working week by October.

[toonshola]

The shorter working week will cost Royal Mail 82 million , it was never going to be deployed in all offices at the same time as Royal Mail wanted a revision based on it.

In Deliveries your either in the 400 delivery offices who are having a structural revision or your in the other 900 who will be having a table top revision.

In the 9 RDCs and 37 mail Centres you will receive the SWW once you have done your realignment revision. In Area Distribution you will get your SWW based on a PAD revision, similar for network drivers they will get the SWW once a network review kicks in . Collections drivers will achieve it when the next phase of boxes go to Collections on delivery.

Remember the SWW is worth 2.6% and is the reason why the 2021 pay deal is 1% . The aim is for every office to have the reduction in the working week by October.

Is there a list available of which 400 offices are going to be structural revisions. We suspect our office will be but can’t get a concrete answer. Or has this yet to be decided?

[Manboat]

Yeh are they set in stone or not, management say needs one but rep says the opposite at ours.

[yellowbelly]

The shorter working week will cost Royal Mail 82 million , it was never going to be deployed in all offices at the same time as Royal Mail wanted a revision based on it.

In Deliveries your either in the 400 delivery offices who are having a structural revision or your in the other 900 who will be having a table top revision.

In the 9 RDCs and 37 mail Centres you will receive the SWW once you have done your realignment revision. In Area Distribution you will get your SWW based on a PAD revision, similar for network drivers they will get the SWW once a network review kicks in . Collections drivers will achieve it when the next phase of boxes go to Collections on delivery.

Remember the SWW is worth 2.6% and is the reason why the 2021 pay deal is 1% . The aim is for every office to have the reduction in the working week by October.

Is there a list available of which 400 offices are going to be structural revisions. We suspect our office will be but can’t get a concrete answer. Or has this yet to be decided?

I thought this too - if the 400/900 breakdown ratio is known it must be known which offices are in which group otherwise
how did they come up with the figures?