Doesn't look good - new Union news....

swoosta · Post by **swoosta** » 15 Oct 2020, 20:01

Dear All,

Although the below appears to be bleak – Dave Ward has met senior management and they are not of the “same mind” as the below states. That is not to say the business’s aspirations suit us as a trade union nor suits our aspirations for a mutual interest approach. Their aspirations obviously centre on the shareholders aspirations.

Van Sharing

Not a mad clammer from our members,and very minimal take up. Wales had the highest percentage – baring in mind that part of the UK is in full lockdown.

Pay

The business are still pushing for a 3 year deal linked to trials/units and functions to self fund, they are proosing the pay deal is im small lump sums consoladated every April and using the recent COVID £200 bonus as part of any pay deal.

Shorter Working Week

Proposed minmal minutes here and there but linked to “improvement principals” and “daily change”as well as auto data hours capture and resource scheduler.

Industrial Relations

The CWU to only be “consulted” on people issues rather then operational issues with the IR framework to be looked at in regards to area level representation.Thus meaning a 20% reduction in CWU reps nationally.

The attendance agreement to be reviewed/re-negotiated as well as the conduct agreement and the individual performance stands to be replaced by “non-culpible efficiency”

New conduct procedure proposed as well as the grievance/B&H process

No face to face appeals (just remote) – this would not be ACAS compliant.

New didpute process proposed

USO

The business have been very positive on retaining the 6 day service

Processing

4 revisions per year

Planning at 100BSI as minimum

Less hours per shift

Flex up with agency only

No model week as a forecast – just a basic forecast

Distribution

12 week rolling revisions

Flexing up utilising agency only

Auto data hours capture

Any electronic data capture – the CWU will only be “consulted”

Deliveries

No model week forecast – just a basic forecast

Revisions at a minimum of 100BSI

Six wing frame bases push

5 hour plus delivery span

Attendance patterns will be planned on mail arrival patterns

“ATT” inititives – or regualr changes to TM1’s

Emphasis on tracking indiviuals (PDA/Trimble) – linked to non-culpable efficiency

CWU will only be “consulted” on electronic data information

Currently part timers are working well over their contracts but huge USO failures remain

Whilst the above may not be pleasant reading and it may appear we have gone 2 steps back, if they pushed all the above in to our functions/units it would basically fail as the work the local management would have to perform would simply not happen. For example the declaration of clear offices (daily) is a fabrication. The current conduct/attendance/B&H processes from local management also fail - in every department.

Terry Pullinger did mention the possibility of “another war” due to the insincerety in negotiations by the business negotiators

Edward Hunter · Post by **Edward Hunter** » 15 Oct 2020, 20:11

Whats a six wing frame base?

Yamr1 · Post by **Yamr1** » 15 Oct 2020, 20:17

Terry pullinger another war f**k me

Wee had a live ballot that you flung away

swoosta · Post by **swoosta** » 15 Oct 2020, 20:19

Using the £200 covid payment as part of the pay rise - someone should tell the papers about this what is disgrace!!

Jb1969 · Post by **Jb1969** » 15 Oct 2020, 20:34

I would suggest the Union are getting absolutely royally rogered!
Cannot even strike over Xmas this year, no time.
Seriously poor judgement by all involved.

swoosta · Post by **swoosta** » 15 Oct 2020, 20:41

So much for a new management era of talks post Rico, this lot are just as bad - what a surprise

toonshola · Post by **toonshola** » 15 Oct 2020, 20:57

Dear All,

Although the below appears to be bleak – Dave Ward has met senior management and they are not of the “same mind” as the below states. That is not to say the business’s aspirations suit us as a trade union nor suits our aspirations for a mutual interest approach. Their aspirations obviously centre on the shareholders aspirations.

So basically Dave Ward has been spun a line by management and because he’s a gullible mug he’s fallen for it. We are so screwed.

Woody Guthrie · Post by **Woody Guthrie** » 15 Oct 2020, 21:32

How much of this is just painting as bleak a potential future as possible to give the union scope for a "win".

Much of it is pie in the sky nonsense that isn't even practical.

Until or unless this comes from Royal Mail directly I'm not buying it.

It's not the first time someone's came on here pronouncing doom and gloom followed by a "deal of the century",

mw7485 · Post by **mw7485** » 15 Oct 2020, 22:39

swoosta wrote:So much for a new management era of talks post Rico, this lot are just as bad - what a surprise

Too true. Anybody who believes that a new management era is upon us is a fool. The board decide where they want the company to go (via shareholder pressure/influence) and its the CEO's job to implement the board's strategy. Unless the board changes strategic direction it will all just continue as before - just dressed up slightly differently. Meet the new boss - same as the old boss!

The union were onto something by engaging the major shareholders directly a year ago .... what happened to all that??!!!

k979aaa · Post by **k979aaa** » 15 Oct 2020, 22:48

Edward Hunter wrote:Whats a six wing frame base?

Your frames will have more wing's than Strangeways!

Acca Dacca · Post by **Acca Dacca** » 15 Oct 2020, 23:07

The usual

Tell us all all the horrors and ham up how bad it could be so that when the 'meh' deal is made - that is nowhere near as good as we all wanted - they can say 'ahhh but its not as bad as......all the above''

So will say it should be treated as a win

Post by **rambo1** » 15 Oct 2020, 23:39

k979aaa wrote:
Edward Hunter wrote:Whats a six wing frame base?
Your frames will have more wing's than Strangeways!

Does that mean every house single slot? If so much better for prepping d2d in. Social distancing a bonus too .

Woody Guthrie · Post by **Woody Guthrie** » 15 Oct 2020, 23:45

rambo1 wrote:
k979aaa wrote:
Edward Hunter wrote:Whats a six wing frame base?
Your frames will have more wing's than Strangeways!
Does that mean every house single slot? If so much better for prepping d2d in. Social distancing a bonus too .

No it means the opposite.
Taking two shared van frames of four wings and turning them into one double slot monster of a C shaped six wing thing.

k979aaa · Post by **k979aaa** » 15 Oct 2020, 23:52

Woody Guthrie wrote:
rambo1 wrote:
k979aaa wrote:
Edward Hunter wrote:Whats a six wing frame base?
Your frames will have more wing's than Strangeways!
Does that mean every house single slot? If so much better for prepping d2d in. Social distancing a bonus too .
No it means the opposite.
Taking two shared van frames of four wings and turning them into one double slot monster of a C shaped six wing thing.

Don't tell them about the broom up the bum for cleaning their work area/wing!

Post by **tractorboy2** » 16 Oct 2020, 07:30

Well and truly lead up the garden path.