Geo-Route walking speed?

[iHateD2Ds]

Does anyone know what the Geo Route walking speed is set at?

It is rumoured that my Delivery Office revision some walks will not take anything that will not fit through a letterbox.(apart from Specials).
5-6 hrs of pure walking ,nice... not.

[hans solo]

they will make speed up to suit their agenda
i tested my duty using strava over 2 week period
using lwt walking speed due to stopping and starting was 1.8 mph
needless to say rm and cwu dont recognise strava as a measuring tool why
because its too accurate

[daveyeff]

how can they set a walking speed based on a computer tool. does this tool take into account peoples age, physical ability/impairment.? its blatantly obvious a 25-30yr old fit young kid will get round a hell of a lot faster than a postie in their late 50s early 60s, especially if they've got ailments such as arthritis, and other musculoskeletal problems. if this ''work tool'' doesn't take these kind of factors into account, then its not fit for purpose.

[clashcityrocker]

How can they set a walking speed based on a computer tool?

How else do you plan without a resourcing standard?
It isn't a performance standard it is a resourcing standard. Without it you can't plan the duties.
Or else you say this duty might take anything between 2 hours and a fortnight depending who is on it.

If someone is in their seventies with arthritis then they ask for adjustments to be made.

[deltaforce]

4 mph was a figure that was used and was adjusted for pushing a HCT or going up steps. it was just a planning tool I was led to believe.

[clashcityrocker]

Have fun with this. This is a seriously old document (12 years maybe more) so I don't know if this is still valid.

Travel speeds (kph) (to get mph multiply by 0.62)

Walk - flat 6.44
- undulating 5,5
-steep 4.74

Walk between delivery points 5.95

Wheel lightweight trolley - flat 6.11
- undulating 5.72
- steep 5.76
Move lwt between delivery points - 5.59

Wheel HCT - flat 5.98
- undulating 4.9
- steep 5.19 (this is what the document says but common sense suggests they are the wrong way round)
Move HCT between delivery points 5.53

Replenish pouch at box 55 seconds
Replenish pouch at safe drop 61 seconds.

[mw7485]

How can they set a walking speed based on a computer tool?

How else do you plan without a resourcing standard?
It isn't a performance standard it is a resourcing standard. Without it you can't plan the duties.
Or else you say this duty might take anything between 2 hours and a fortnight depending who is on it.

If someone is in their seventies with arthritis then they ask for adjustments to be made.

And there was me thinking that PD Actuals was supposed to provide this data. You cannot use a walking speed unless we all have the same stride length. I take it you have never served in the military? We have one person in our office who is less than 5 feet tall - and another who is well over 6 feet. Guess who is going to be running to keep up with the other one, and which one will be exhausted at the end of their shift? If any speed is used, it will be abused. We don't all walk at the same speed or have the same fitness levels.

You would also have to factor in incline and weather. Finally, as an example of how resourcing tools get "abused": the IWT is supposed to be an office planning aid - I take it you've never had the fun of trying to explain this and that the IWT is not an individual performance management tool to a DOM? If speed is used as part of the resourcing planning, the DOM will likely simply use the fastest person around as the baseline and expect everyone else to keep up. I sincerely hope that the union have not agreed to speed being used as part of establishing a baseline - otherwise we are toast.

[daveyeff]

well we could ask smart arse managers to show us how its done.

[Dexydog]

I understand your point, but what other gauge can be used other than speed?
You have to set the bar somewhere surely, as walking is what we spend the majority of the time doing.
I agree whatever tool is used it's a minefield and management will use whatever they decide upon to their advantage-if we let them.

[daveyeff]

and how did they plan walks before computers came into the equation?

[Dexydog]

and how did they plan walks before computers came into the equation?

Finger in the air.
Probably more accurate than geo-route in the real world.

[Woody Guthrie]

You cannot use a walking speed unless we all have the same stride length.

Have you never heard of averages?
That's how planners have been planning resource since Noah didn't build the Ark.

how did they plan walks before computers came into the equation?

Sliderules, calculators, lots of paper......and averages.
Computer software just does it all in seconds rather than days but the basic theory hasn't changed.
Planners were screwing up walks long before computers arrived.

[Phantom]

They can plan at what whatever speed they like and when it's time to finish i'll be cutting off. Simples.

[clashcityrocker]

And there was me thinking that PD Actuals was supposed to provide this data.
You would also have to factor in incline and weather.
I sincerely hope that the union have not agreed to speed being used as part of establishing a baseline - otherwise we are toast.

The PDA outdoor actual won't differentiate between the 6 foot 4 ex military guy and the 4 foot 11 asthmatic with a wooden leg.
If you read the document it gives different speeds for flat, undulating and steep terrain.
The union agreed it years ago - those are the speeds used within georoute.

[world class male]

ok, pre revision a young fit postie coasts around their duty, gets done 15/30mins early quite regular, planner then adds the difference to that duty
post revision that duty holder loses or picks another duty, an older postie gets it, but no way can they complete every day,
queue the b&h or if looked after gets the bit added after and given to the guy forced off it!
there is no 1 size fits all duty, it's how management access the issues, which can be woeful at best, indoor planning is non existent which allows the favourites doing outdoor o/t the freedom to shirk their indoor work as they refuse to actually work overtime if they have to work over