CWU : The High Court has ruled against us. Genuinely this is an utter outrage. 110,000 workers vs the establishment.

frankieboy · Post by **frankieboy** » 13 Nov 2019, 15:54

Chelseablue wrote:What now?

I'll tell you what now, everybody employed by Royal Mail should vote LABOUR in this upcoming general election and hopefully they'll re-nationalise us, it our only hope. If we keep voting these tories in power our demise will be complete.

Post by **POSTMAN** » 13 Nov 2019, 15:58

I have copied some of Ward's words here, 2nd post...
https://www.royalmailchat.co.uk/communi ... 69&t=93186" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Rumple · Post by **Rumple** » 13 Nov 2019, 15:59

ThatsNotPlumb wrote:
Chelseablue wrote:Any cwu statement out yet?

How the kcuf has that got anything to do with our ballot being legal or not? Conspiracy theorists are gonna love that statement.

derekm · Post by **derekm** » 13 Nov 2019, 16:03

POSTMAN wrote:
derekm wrote:Wouldn’t blame the union only ourselves for putting it all over f/b waving our ballot papers.
It was encourage by the CWU lol, did you not see their Facebook and Twitter feeds!
'That' was the reason Royal Mail took them to court.

Sorry didnt see it mate not really on f/b alot

Krafty · Post by **Krafty** » 13 Nov 2019, 16:16

I want to see the evidence that was shown to the judge.
Can we see it?
We can't trust anyone these days. Without seeing the evidence we can't say who is in the right one way or the other.

daveyeff · Post by **daveyeff** » 13 Nov 2019, 16:18

Rumple wrote:
ThatsNotPlumb wrote:
Chelseablue wrote:Any cwu statement out yet?

How the kcuf has that got anything to do with our ballot being legal or not? Conspiracy theorists are gonna love that statement.

the ballot was called BEFORE the general election!!?? so that is an absolute load of effing crap.

leolion855 · Post by **leolion855** » 13 Nov 2019, 16:20

frankieboy wrote:
Chelseablue wrote:What now?
I'll tell you what now, everybody employed by Royal Mail should vote LABOUR in this upcoming general election and hopefully they'll re-nationalise us, it our only hope. If we keep voting these tories in power our demise will be complete.

Sorry they wont, whilst we are part of the EU its against EU laws to have a monopoly on the mail.

Woody Guthrie · Post by **Woody Guthrie** » 13 Nov 2019, 16:25

leolion855 wrote:
frankieboy wrote:
Chelseablue wrote:What now?
I'll tell you what now, everybody employed by Royal Mail should vote LABOUR in this upcoming general election and hopefully they'll re-nationalise us, it our only hope. If we keep voting these tories in power our demise will be complete.
Sorry they wont, whilst we are part of the EU its against EU laws to have a monopoly on the mail.

State ownership has nothing to do with the EU.
Stop making stuff up.

Rumple · Post by **Rumple** » 13 Nov 2019, 16:32

The judge saying the General Election was a factor in his decision suggests we are being forced to provide our labour to enable a smooth GE. We are political hostages.

leolion855 · Post by **leolion855** » 13 Nov 2019, 16:33

Woody Guthrie wrote:
leolion855 wrote:
frankieboy wrote:
Chelseablue wrote:What now?
I'll tell you what now, everybody employed by Royal Mail should vote LABOUR in this upcoming general election and hopefully they'll re-nationalise us, it our only hope. If we keep voting these tories in power our demise will be complete.
Sorry they wont, whilst we are part of the EU its against EU laws to have a monopoly on the mail.
State ownership has nothing to do with the EU.
Stop making stuff up.

The Postal Services Directive (97/67/EC) established a regulatory framework for European postal services. The universal service obligation (USO) is the core of the postal services directive. In line with the principle of subsidiarity and acknowledging the differences in the postal markets of EU countries, the directive gives flexibility to EU member countries, allowing them to adapt elements of domestic postal services to their particular needs.

The universal service obligation (USO) is the core of the Postal Services Directive (97/67/EC, amended by Directives 2002/39/EC and 2008/6/EC). This is the requirement that letters and parcels should be delivered to each home or business premises, on 5 days each week, throughout each EU country (with exemptions).

In particular, the postal services directive

defines the minimum requirements of the universal service to be guaranteed by each EU member
has fully opened the sector to competition
lays down the principles of authorisation procedures for provision of postal services
defines the tariff principles applicable as well as the transparency of the accounts of the universal service providers
establishes the setting of quality of service standards for national and intra-EU cross-border services
encourages technical harmonisation in the postal sector (see standardisation in the postal sector)
establishes internal and external complaints procedures for all users of postal services
requires the establishment of independent national regulatory authorities
establishes rules for the financing of any net cost of the universal service in the event that a net cost arises and represents an unfair financial burden
foresees regular ‘application reports’ (see below) to the European Parliament and the Council on the implementation of the postal services directive
the postal services directive also established the EU Postal Directive Committee, which consists of representatives of EU countries’ national ministries and serves as a scrutiny body for the application of postal legislation and for the improvement of quality of service. The committee meets twice a year.

https://ec.europa.eu/growth/sectors/pos ... slation_en" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Krafty · Post by **Krafty** » 13 Nov 2019, 16:38

Can anyone tell me what the evidence was that the judge agreed with and show me some examples of it.

Woody Guthrie · Post by **Woody Guthrie** » 13 Nov 2019, 16:39

There's no point in sticking our heads in the sand over this.

The CWU thought it would increase turnout and Yes votes if they encouraged members to open their ballot papers in the office and vote. The social media department thought it would be cool to post pics and vids all over Facebook and Twitter.

This isn't an establishment stitch up it's an own goal of ridiculous proportions that will have repercussions for us for many years to come.

Terry and Dave will try to throw up smokescreens but at the end of the day they f****d up and should have the courage to hold up their hands.

Yes Royal Mail have been pretty low to go down this route and judges do what they do but the union served us up on a plate unfortunately.

Woody Guthrie · Post by **Woody Guthrie** » 13 Nov 2019, 16:42

And Leo...Google state ownership and state monopoly before you cut and paste huge chunks of pointless nonsense. They're not the same thing mate.

daveyeff · Post by **daveyeff** » 13 Nov 2019, 16:44

Krafty wrote:Can anyone tell me what the evidence was that the judge agreed with and show me some examples of it.

a senior manager pulled something out of his arse and the judge believed him.

Mailman300 · Post by **Mailman300** » 13 Nov 2019, 16:48

Chelseablue wrote:What now?

If 97% work to rule over Xmas, that should be a start, surely.