strike dates

Post by **SpacePhoenix** » 21 Oct 2019, 19:39

Whilst we're still a member of the EU nationalisation is impossible as it's illegal under EU rules and depending on the absolute final agreement with the EU it could potentially still be illegal

26l34 · Post by **26l34** » 21 Oct 2019, 19:47

Agree there’d be issues, don’t think it’s impossible though, even the World Trade Organisation has state-aid rules so it’d be tricky regardless. I’d rather pick a fight on this stuff from within the EU.

“A government can own a company under state-aid rules - but it is not allowed to keep it going if it would otherwise fail.

So if a government could convince the European Commission that buying the business would be a sensible move that any investor would make for a profit, it would not be classified as state aid.”

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Tman · Post by **Tman** » 21 Oct 2019, 21:29

A company with a falling share price and a diminishing market? That would be some ask.

Ozcabsmangan · Post by **Ozcabsmangan** » 21 Oct 2019, 23:10

Maggio man says 23 nov

k979aaa · Post by **k979aaa** » 27 Oct 2019, 00:46

Tman wrote:A company with a falling share price and a diminishing market? That would be some ask.

The way it is going they could get it back for half the price they sold it the only one shitting bricks is the CEO!

k979aaa · Post by **k979aaa** » 27 Oct 2019, 01:51

As to dates things have been said around the 20th of November and beyond but let us consider why we voted by 97% with a turnout out of 76% for striking no one want's to lose money income for which we earn. Now we face a new force who has not abided by the last agreement and have presented us all with a business plan of the reduction of the workforce of 20,000 job's ie 1 in 6 of you all we as a union cannot abrogate nor will we concede this as a position of negotiation this is a salient point we never can concede this point! We also must go forward with the four pillars part of this is the reduction of the working week to 35 hours it should be a right for all and we could go further, but as yet Royal Mail have abrogated the last deal. Also is the fact of the bullying and harassment of our members in this day and and age it is an outrage this is still going on yet people on the board of directors have not publicly come out about this it's as if this never happens in Royal Mail for it is they who are ultimately responsible for the actions of the company. It is fervently my aim conviction to ensure we get a deal and a good deal we together can make a difference as long as we have have unity and the conviction of our beliefs in the vision of our futures together.

Acca Dacca · Post by **Acca Dacca** » 27 Oct 2019, 16:05

SpacePhoenix wrote:Whilst we're still a member of the EU nationalisation is impossible as it's illegal under EU rules and depending on the absolute final agreement with the EU it could potentially still be illegal

Doesnt the Spanish Government own Correos which covers the USO in Spain?

And the French own their own rail network? ( they also own 73% of La Poste )

Its a myth youve bought into - but you dont want to hear that

Tman · Post by **Tman** » 27 Oct 2019, 17:11

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Doesnt the Spanish Government own Correos which covers the USO in Spain?

And the French own their own rail network? ( they also own 73% of La Poste )

When did the Spanish and French governments respectively take ownership of these businesses?

dsmith812 · Post by **dsmith812** » 31 Oct 2019, 21:18

Acca Dacca wrote:
SpacePhoenix wrote:Whilst we're still a member of the EU nationalisation is impossible as it's illegal under EU rules and depending on the absolute final agreement with the EU it could potentially still be illegal
Doesnt the Spanish Government own Correos which covers the USO in Spain?

And the French own their own rail network? ( they also own 73% of La Poste )

Its a myth youve bought into - but you dont want to hear that

Tman wrote:
When did the Spanish and French governments respectively take ownership of these businesses?

EU Laws permit it for transport, plus they've been state owned since their creation. Just not allowed to ban private operators. However there is nothing to say that the Government can't take over 51% of the shares for Royal Mail.

So long as you aren't making it a monopoly (but no other company would want to compete in the letters business {even uk mail uses Royal Mail for the last mile} which is almost no profit) it would be allowed.

Tman · Post by **Tman** » 01 Nov 2019, 10:17

When did the Spanish and French governments respectively take ownership of these businesses?

EU Laws permit it for transport, plus they've been state owned since their creation.

Exactly that, state owned since their creation, so actually nothing to do with the claim that it's possible EU member states can/cannot nationalise failing industries.

Post by **TrueBlueTerrier** » 01 Nov 2019, 10:50

Tman wrote:="Acca
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Doesnt the Spanish Government own Correos which covers the USO in Spain?

And the French own their own rail network? ( they also own 73% of La Poste )
When did the Spanish and French governments respectively take ownership of these businesses?

Correos: 1756 https://www.correos.com/grupo-correos/#nuestra-historia" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

French Rail Passenger - SNCF - 1938 http://www.gaugemaster.com/articles/gui ... -SNCF.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

lA Poste - 1603 http://www.stampdomain.com/country/france/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Post by **TrueBlueTerrier** » 01 Nov 2019, 10:53

The EU regulation doesn't address ownership, the postal system can be government-run, as shown above.

It's the postal market that was liberalised, not the companies themselves.

Woody Guthrie · Post by **Woody Guthrie** » 01 Nov 2019, 17:05

The only issue with government ownership is state aid where a company cannot receive government funding to give it a competitive advantage in a free market but

A) We've been a net self funded company since the 1960s.

B) Even the state aid regulations can be circumvented as witnessed when the government took over the pension deficit.

C) We're leaving the EU.

dsmith812 · Post by **dsmith812** » 01 Nov 2019, 22:22

Woody Guthrie wrote:
C) We're leaving the EU.

That's not set in stone and also the WTO talks about state owned monopolies. Either way the answer is that it's perfectly legal to re-nationalise Royal Mail.

LaggyBand · Post by **LaggyBand** » 02 Nov 2019, 00:08

With news that RM seem to be implementing their new parcel separation strategy without involving the union, what’s the feeling around full on one week strike on and after Black Friday?

Then the threat of another in December?