Martin Walsh wrote:Woody we never balloted in March we announced the ballot result on St Patrick’s day in March but the ballot timetable was announced in January a time before anyone in the UK realised the impact of COVID.
The reality is that talks are extremely difficult , what the company wants and what we are willing to agree is currently some distance away.
The company wants massive reductions in costs including 5 hour delivery spans , standardising attendance patterns , everyone working above 100 BSi and reductions in sick pay to name just a few demands. For that they are willing to give an unacceptable pay offer based on us accepting all the strings.
So this is not an easy negotiation and there is real pressure for Royal Mail as a result of their future financial position.
If it was easy we would have done the pay deal but nothing is easy in the post COVID world as sadly many employees are finding out through job losses and reductions in terms and conditions.
Thanks for that Martin, you’ve told me more in that sentence than I’ve learnt in the last few months, I’m passed wanting to hear good news just some news and honest updates would be welcomed now.
5 hour delivery spans ? , we do 6+ now , so are we s**t at our job or would they take summat off us ?
Martin Walsh wrote:Woody we never balloted in March we announced the ballot result on St Patrick’s day in March but the ballot timetable was announced in January a time before anyone in the UK realised the impact of COVID.
The reality is that talks are extremely difficult , what the company wants and what we are willing to agree is currently some distance away.
The company wants massive reductions in costs including 5 hour delivery spans , standardising attendance patterns , everyone working above 100 BSi and reductions in sick pay to name just a few demands. For that they are willing to give an unacceptable pay offer based on us accepting all the strings.
So this is not an easy negotiation and there is real pressure for Royal Mail as a result of their future financial position.
If it was easy we would have done the pay deal but nothing is easy in the post COVID world as sadly many employees are finding out through job losses and reductions in terms and conditions.
So why fool the members at start of july that pay would be done by end of july .
Martin Walsh wrote:Woody we never balloted in March we announced the ballot result on St Patrick’s day in March but the ballot timetable was announced in January a time before anyone in the UK realised the impact of COVID.
The reality is that talks are extremely difficult , what the company wants and what we are willing to agree is currently some distance away.
The company wants massive reductions in costs including 5 hour delivery spans , standardising attendance patterns , everyone working above 100 BSi and reductions in sick pay to name just a few demands. For that they are willing to give an unacceptable pay offer based on us accepting all the strings.
So this is not an easy negotiation and there is real pressure for Royal Mail as a result of their future financial position.
If it was easy we would have done the pay deal but nothing is easy in the post COVID world as sadly many employees are finding out through job losses and reductions in terms and conditions.
Thanks for that Martin, you’ve told me more in that sentence than I’ve learnt in the last few months, I’m passed wanting to hear good news just some news and honest updates would be welcomed now.
5 hour delivery spans ? , we do 6+ now , so are we s**t at our job or would they take summat off us ?
I left the office at 9am this morning and returned to th office at 3.45pm so bring on a 5 hr delivery span , for me I'll be living the dream
Martin Walsh wrote:It is difficult for the union to give updates as talks are bound by confidentiality. I have only reveal what Terry mentioned on one of the Facebook live sessions he did. But believe me the things Royal Mail want to change are significant and no one would accept for the type of pay deal on offer.
For the record BSi is a based on planning values and a British Standard. So each task in either in processing or indoor delivery is rated on a planning value. So for example what a 1000 letters should take to sort against what it did take to sort.
The outdoor element is measured by observed times where they measured 30 thousand delivery duties during the ACAS delivery to neighbour discussions.
100 BSi is measured as someone who is considered as motivated and has a full head of workload.
For the record there are offices up and down the uk in every city working at well over 100 if fact the highest record was at 288 BSi. Remember there are unmeasured parts of BSi so it is not an exact measure as it is based on national averages rather than your own office specifics. Of course there hundreds of offices who are below 100 BSi again across the UK. Royal Mail always wants to standardise performance across the UK but there are so many different reasons why offices are different ranging from being outside their postcode , having a CSS attached for the office ,multi floor working , have all CDVs or all HCT walks , have more firms , new delivery point growth , having more rehab duties the list is endless.
Woody very few offices are working at 5 hours excluding travel time and first door to last door only.
We appreciate the info Martin as feel kept in the dark, now at least I feel I know how the talks are actually going, we all know thing’s are gonna change and need to, we just wanna know where we stand.
So what info from martin do you really appreciate..cause as far as i can see hes told us nothing new..
Martin Walsh wrote:Woody we never balloted in March we announced the ballot result on St Patrick’s day in March but the ballot timetable was announced in January a time before anyone in the UK realised the impact of COVID.
The reality is that talks are extremely difficult , what the company wants and what we are willing to agree is currently some distance away.
The company wants massive reductions in costs including 5 hour delivery spans , standardising attendance patterns , everyone working above 100 BSi and reductions in sick pay to name just a few demands. For that they are willing to give an unacceptable pay offer based on us accepting all the strings.
So this is not an easy negotiation and there is real pressure for Royal Mail as a result of their future financial position.
If it was easy we would have done the pay deal but nothing is easy in the post COVID world as sadly many employees are finding out through job losses and reductions in terms and conditions.
Thanks for that Martin, you’ve told me more in that sentence than I’ve learnt in the last few months, I’m passed wanting to hear good news just some news and honest updates would be welcomed now.
5 hour delivery spans ? , we do 6+ now , so are we s**t at our job or would they take summat off us ?
I left the office at 9am this morning and returned to th office at 3.45pm so bring on a 5 hr delivery span , for me I'll be living the dream
pda data being used ? so all the early starters (FREE WORK), or not using the methods and runners are making it s**t for the CWU to argue with them and they are also making it hard for posties who do the job right and protecting jobs , well they need to give there head a bang and wake up .
Martin Walsh wrote:It is difficult for the union to give updates as talks are bound by confidentiality. I have only reveal what Terry mentioned on one of the Facebook live sessions he did. But believe me the things Royal Mail want to change are significant and no one would accept for the type of pay deal on offer.
For the record BSi is a based on planning values and a British Standard. So each task in either in processing or indoor delivery is rated on a planning value. So for example what a 1000 letters should take to sort against what it did take to sort.
The outdoor element is measured by observed times where they measured 30 thousand delivery duties during the ACAS delivery to neighbour discussions.
100 BSi is measured as someone who is considered as motivated and has a full head of workload.
For the record there are offices up and down the uk in every city working at well over 100 if fact the highest record was at 288 BSi. Remember there are unmeasured parts of BSi so it is not an exact measure as it is based on national averages rather than your own office specifics. Of course there hundreds of offices who are below 100 BSi again across the UK. Royal Mail always wants to standardise performance across the UK but there are so many different reasons why offices are different ranging from being outside their postcode , having a CSS attached for the office ,multi floor working , have all CDVs or all HCT walks , have more firms , new delivery point growth , having more rehab duties the list is endless.
Woody very few offices are working at 5 hours excluding travel time and first door to last door only.
We appreciate the info Martin as feel kept in the dark, now at least I feel I know how the talks are actually going, we all know thing’s are gonna change and need to, we just wanna know where we stand.
So what info from martin do you really appreciate..cause as far as i can see hes told us nothing new..
This bit here, it’s more info than I’ve heard off any of Terry’s rants.
The company wants massive reductions in costs including 5 hour delivery spans , standardising attendance patterns , everyone working above 100 BSi and reductions in sick pay to name just a few demands. For that they are willing to give an unacceptable pay offer based on us accepting all the strings.
Woody very few offices are working at 5 hours excluding travel time and first door to last door only.
A 5 hour + travelling time standard delivery span would mean increasing a huge number of part-time contracts across the business.
I'll leave it to members to decide whether that's good, bad or even likely to be a thing.
When taken with the level of indoor efficiency already being achieved the length of the delivery span in most of the country is already at a point where any increase is unlikely to be achievable without affecting the indoor operation.
In short for most of us it's no longer the boogeyman it may be for certain areas.
What we obviously fear far more is any reduction in the USO, any word on Royal Mail's preferred direction of travel with that?
Years ago we had two deliveries a 1st and a 2nd so you could relive yourself and gain sustenance and recharge ones batteries who the f**k do these planks in charge think we are!
So chuck another hour of delivery on top and pay us less when our body’s collapse. At least we had a figure to blame when Rico was in charge but clearly he wasn’t the whole problem and that was a short victory. I really don’t know what more there is to talk about. Get back to the original topic thread ffs
Grumpyoldmailman wrote:So chuck another hour of delivery on top and pay us less when our body’s collapse. At least we had a figure to blame when Rico was in charge but clearly he wasn’t the whole problem and that was a short victory. I really don’t know what more there is to talk about. Get back to the original topic thread ffs
Do you think greed and self corpulence will desist with the going away of one fat cat when their are hundreds of thousands of fat cat's to take his place we must fight them with the zeal of Zeus for protection of our rights were fought by the titans and betrothed to the meek to defend!
Grumpyoldmailman wrote:So chuck another hour of delivery on top and pay us less when our body’s collapse. At least we had a figure to blame when Rico was in charge but clearly he wasn’t the whole problem and that was a short victory. I really don’t know what more there is to talk about. Get back to the original topic thread ffs
Do you think greed and self corpulence will desist with the going away of one fat cat when their are hundreds of thousands of fat cat's to take his place we must fight them with the zeal of Zeus for protection of our rights were fought by the titans and betrothed to the meek to defend!
Jpro747 wrote:Left office at 8:40 returning 14:40 so that’s a 6 hour delivery on a Saturday!
It's not though. The 5hr delivery span is to be timed from the first delivery point to the last, excluding breaks and travel time. Not timed from leaving the office till you return. Without anymore info your delivery appears to be roughly 5hrs (which IMO is too big to be sustainable long term on anyone's health)
Jpro747 wrote:Left office at 8:40 returning 14:40 so that’s a 6 hour delivery on a Saturday!
It's not though. The 5hr delivery span is to be timed from the first delivery point to the last, excluding breaks and travel time. Not timed from leaving the office till you return. Without anymore info your delivery appears to be roughly 5hrs (which IMO is too big to be sustainable long term on anyone's health)
So what do us folk with a 25 hr contract do, we only get 4hrs 30 for delivery and travel time
So what do us folk with a 25 hr contract do, we only get 4hrs 30 for delivery and travel time
The only two options for those on less than full-time contracts would be to increase the contract or decrease the number of days.
Both would be a major headache for the business so I don't think either are on the cards.
It's probably just another scare tactic from either the union or the business but like I said even for full-time staff it's not the frightener it used to be when we were 40 hrs. (even less if we get the extra hour owed)
First of all it's not that unusual to be out for 5 hours in some cases usually involving overtime and to actually try to plan in a 5 hr first to last letter would be impossible in a lot of the country now, too many part-time staff for most of us outside London.
, we do 6+ now , so are we s**t at our job or would they take summat off us ?