clique wrote:I have chucked in my CWU membership because:
1. At times I feel the union is run by incompetent and self serving dinosaurs.
2. The uploaded footage during the recent ballot gave grounds and ammunition to RM to remove our democratic right to withhold our labour.
3. The union showed time and again that they are incapable in protecting and safeguarding the interests of their paying members without compromising our fight to preserve our jobs and work rights?
4. I have only needed their help once after years of paying my member's fees and the rep sided with the management. I had to involve a solicitor at my expense and the matter was then resolved instantly.
5. The union had no intention of calling their/our bluff of a pre Christmas strike. Although the appeal should already have gone in, citing "our strong" and "clear cut case", they have failed to do so to date. Not a chance in a million for a postal strike happening now this side of Christmas even if an appeal is eventually lodged and upheld in our favour. The CWU are not truthful with their members in this respect.
6. When asked, live on Sky News, Dave Ward refused to give any reassurances whatsoever that the union would not postpone the 'planned' strike if asked to do so by Jeremy Corbyn and he also failed to confirm that the CWU would disregard the instructions of the Labour party on that matter, thus focusing only on the interests of its members instead.
7. At the current rate for the sub fees, it costs £135.20 annually. Multiplying that by so many years, it becomes a serious amount of money down the drain.
I am not encouraging or discouraging anyone to cancel their membership. This is entirely their decision based on their needs. However, as the union have a habit of not showing much interest in its members and they did not ever bother to ask if there's anything they could do to help me change my mind, I'm putting my reasons here.
What you going to do now if we ever go on strike clique cross the picket line ???
"Some day I will have the bottle to take the money"
clique wrote:I have chucked in my CWU membership because:
1. At times I feel the union is run by incompetent and self serving dinosaurs.
2. The uploaded footage during the recent ballot gave grounds and ammunition to RM to remove our democratic right to withhold our labour.
3. The union showed time and again that they are incapable in protecting and safeguarding the interests of their paying members without compromising our fight to preserve our jobs and work rights?
4. I have only needed their help once after years of paying my member's fees and the rep sided with the management. I had to involve a solicitor at my expense and the matter was then resolved instantly.
5. The union had no intention of calling their/our bluff of a pre Christmas strike. Although the appeal should already have gone in, citing "our strong" and "clear cut case", they have failed to do so to date. Not a chance in a million for a postal strike happening now this side of Christmas even if an appeal is eventually lodged and upheld in our favour. The CWU are not truthful with their members in this respect.
6. When asked, live on Sky News, Dave Ward refused to give any reassurances whatsoever that the union would not postpone the 'planned' strike if asked to do so by Jeremy Corbyn and he also failed to confirm that the CWU would disregard the instructions of the Labour party on that matter, thus focusing only on the interests of its members instead.
7. At the current rate for the sub fees, it costs £135.20 annually. Multiplying that by so many years, it becomes a serious amount of money down the drain.
I am not encouraging or discouraging anyone to cancel their membership. This is entirely their decision based on their needs. However, as the union have a habit of not showing much interest in its members and they did not ever bother to ask if there's anything they could do to help me change my mind, I'm putting my reasons here.
What you going to do now if we ever go on strike clique cross the picket line ???
Well he can do what he wants because if its official the he has the same rights as you to go on strike.
clique wrote:I have chucked in my CWU membership because:.
That's a shame mate. I think you should just have some confidence in the final outcome of this situation. We know we're up against not only the RM Management, but also the Establishment.
The problem is that we are currently up against an incompetent union leadership. The reason that Royal Mail won their injunction was due to stupidity from the union HQ.
I'll fully support the union, but expect resignations from those at the top who have cost us the chance to strike at the most advantageous time. It is a bit like going to war when the top brass in the army have just shot every single one of their troops in the foot.
Exactly my thoughts. We are the Union but why do I get the feeling that we are a bit like Lions led by Donkeys??
On the face of it, shareholder value is the dumbest idea in the world.
The best way you can impact RM is by doing the job properly and get hours in the office you need, Leaving the union will only lead into conflict with managers and you are on your own on your own!
clique wrote:I have chucked in my CWU membership because:
1. At times I feel the union is run by incompetent and self serving dinosaurs.
2. The uploaded footage during the recent ballot gave grounds and ammunition to RM to remove our democratic right to withhold our labour.
3. The union showed time and again that they are incapable in protecting and safeguarding the interests of their paying members without compromising our fight to preserve our jobs and work rights?
4. I have only needed their help once after years of paying my member's fees and the rep sided with the management. I had to involve a solicitor at my expense and the matter was then resolved instantly.
5. The union had no intention of calling their/our bluff of a pre Christmas strike. Although the appeal should already have gone in, citing "our strong" and "clear cut case", they have failed to do so to date. Not a chance in a million for a postal strike happening now this side of Christmas even if an appeal is eventually lodged and upheld in our favour. The CWU are not truthful with their members in this respect.
6. When asked, live on Sky News, Dave Ward refused to give any reassurances whatsoever that the union would not postpone the 'planned' strike if asked to do so by Jeremy Corbyn and he also failed to confirm that the CWU would disregard the instructions of the Labour party on that matter, thus focusing only on the interests of its members instead.
7. At the current rate for the sub fees, it costs £135.20 annually. Multiplying that by so many years, it becomes a serious amount of money down the drain.
I am not encouraging or discouraging anyone to cancel their membership. This is entirely their decision based on their needs. However, as the union have a habit of not showing much interest in its members and they did not ever bother to ask if there's anything they could do to help me change my mind, I'm putting my reasons here.
What you going to do now if we ever go on strike clique cross the picket line ???
maisymoo04 wrote: What you going to do now if we ever go on strike clique cross the picket line ???
I've already stated my intentions on a previous post. I will support my colleagues in the union and join them on the picket line. Because I left the CWU in protest of the latest shambles, it does not mean I will side with the "enemy".
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k979aaa wrote:The best way you can impact RM is by doing the job properly and get hours in the office you need, Leaving the union will only lead into conflict with managers and you are on your own on your own!
I agree with doing the job properly and sticking to your contracted hours, rest breaks and start and finish times. If this were to happen by the same 97.1 (out of 76%) percentage of employees, Royal Mail would sit up and take notice. Whether we are unionised or not in that case, it would be almost irrelevant.
I realise I am on my own outside of the union but if I end up being a scapegoat, so be it but I will not take it lying down. The only time I needed help from the union as a member for work related matters, the rep sided with the management. I still had to fight my case on my own and in the end was sorted out. While the rest of us members were allocated a walk which we struggled to complete on a daily basis, the union rep was allocated a duty which involved just a 3 hour stroll and back (because of his supposed union duties). Perhaps he didn't want to lose that by standing up in support of the odd union member. Who knows!
Cancelled mine a few months ago as they have no Interest in representing the working man.
The cwu is Finnished as I can see the membership numbers decreasing.
The so called men at the top of the union are no different to royal mail,im afraid we life in a self preservation society.
langlands01 wrote:Cancelled mine a few months ago as they have no Interest in representing the working man.
The cwu is Finnished as I can see the membership numbers decreasing.
The so called men at the top of the union are no different to royal mail,im afraid we life in a self preservation society.
Im getting selfish greedy tory type vibes here, despicable behaviour,
langlands01 wrote:Cancelled mine a few months ago as they have no Interest in representing the working man.
The cwu is Finnished as I can see the membership numbers decreasing.
The so called men at the top of the union are no different to royal mail,im afraid we life in a self preservation society.
If union membership drops too low then RM coud de-recognise the CWU then we'd all be screwed
It is to be expected that union members will have different experiences and different views on the performance of the union, its leaders and local representatives. It doesn't matter if there is a dispute going on or not, some members will leave and some will join.
As for union reps, they can be good and bad but I always understood that it was a thankless job and I always had the opportunity to put my name forward if I thought I could do better.
Time will tell whether the union leadership has just lost a battle or lost the war. I do believe they are acting in our best interests and should be given time. For me quitting while a dispute is going on, is just wrong.
As for the performance of the union over the years. They have had some battles and there has been a determined attack by Royal Mail on our terms and conditions. Despite this we still have better benefits such as holiday entitlements, sick pay and pension than others who work in similar jobs. We also have a shorter working week and paid meal breaks.
k979aaa wrote:The best way you can impact RM is by doing the job properly and get hours in the office you need, Leaving the union will only lead into conflict with managers and you are on your own on your own!
Why would leaving the Union lead into conflict with managers?? Royal Mail managers don't go out of their way to accommodate the CWU although I would agree it's good to know where you stand.
On the face of it, shareholder value is the dumbest idea in the world.
wacko74 wrote:I've got to admit I do struggle to fully back the unions stance in this dispute... it does sound a bit ridiculous for them to be going on about ''protecting the public service''... What ''public service'' is that? Delivering junk mail and ebay tat mostly.
Also their refusal to accept any changes that would lead to job losses, mainly through a reduction in the USO... I can't help thinking this is more about the union wanting to keep it's membership numbers (and income from subs) as high as possible rather than acting solely in the best interests of it's members.
I'm almost certain there are many thousands of posties that would jump at the chance of VR and many more who would like to reduce their hours... the union should be accepting that there is scope to ''streamline'' the business and should instead be fighting for the best possible deals for those who do want to leave, whilst also fighting to protect the pay and T&C's for those who wish to stay.
STREAMLINE, the business. They have apparently doing that when I joined in the early nineties. My old DO had a DOM and a LINO. Now they have the DOM and 3 LINOS, all the while they have lost 19 posties. If mails down, then why do they need these overpaid people. The other so called mail companies have ONE shift manager and about 2 team leaders for an operation the size of Glasgow MC. Yet GMC have managers everywhere and today in the official RM jobsite they are looking for delivery sector managers in the West of Scotland starting on £55 grand,, £4,800 car allowance and bonus. For whit. Sitting phoning up DOMS to push more lapsing and bullshit. Top heavy of the highest. Sling them to f**k and keep the people who actually make the money for RM. = The posties. Primary school basics.
