Royal Mail in legal bid to block national Christmas strike : CWU response

roadrunner bill · Post by **roadrunner bill** » 08 Nov 2019, 16:19

Rumple wrote:This is just another clear sign of what a horrible, nasty, sneaky company we work for. I hope the CWU haven't blown this again though. RM have form for running rings round our Union.

The company is run by psychopaths... thats what the cwu are dealing with...its like a world war 3..

work · Post by **work** » 08 Nov 2019, 16:22

Woody Guthrie wrote:
in alleged 72 units only, but, what about the majority or will all their votes be void due to the facebookers!
I'm not an expert in employment law but... more than likely.
The entire ballot result would be invalid.

...well, all I can say about this travesty (but not to any one person individually) is...

"arse"

Post by **POSTMAN** » 08 Nov 2019, 16:30

Royal mail are more cleverer than The CWU, end of!
All that taking the sarcastic piss on Twitter and Facebook and calling managers w*****s ect could bite them on the arse.

If the union get away with it, say phew and move on and be more careful/adult about it in the future.
If not, it is what it is.But what's next?

postieblueshirt · Post by **postieblueshirt** » 08 Nov 2019, 16:36

Don't matter if there's proof or not to people opening them at work at my office people open there paylines every week nothing is ever said.there going to find something to get us to work one way or another sad but true.

roadrunner bill · Post by **roadrunner bill** » 08 Nov 2019, 16:42

POSTMAN wrote:Royal mail are more cleverer than The CWU, end of!
All that taking the sarcastic piss on Twitter and Facebook and calling managers w*****s ect could bite them on the arse.

If the union get away with it, say phew and move on and be more careful/adult about it in the future.
If not, it is what it is.But what's next?

Royal mail may be more intellect.. does that mean they have the right to dismantle the company as they so see fit.. for profit... and greed to the wealthy at the expense of its work force... i say no...

Binsey · Post by **Binsey** » 08 Nov 2019, 17:11

daveyeff wrote:
Acca Dacca wrote:
cobrakai wrote:
Ren Hoëk wrote:"It said its application to the court would include "substantial evidence" of violations from at least 72 of its UK sites.

The company said it included the interception of ballot papers before delivery to home addresses and staff being encouraged to open ballot papers on site and to vote in favour of action."

All those social media post's of posties lined up at their DO's with their reps posting en masse. Are RM going to say people were coerced to do so?
How is that different to the have your say forms??
There isnt a 'have your say 1992 ACT'
no but its still opening mail at your workplace. and they get you to fill it in in front of them.

Not true.
Have your say is addressed to you.
C/O your place of work.
It’s like getting a note from Duties.

Woody Guthrie · Post by **Woody Guthrie** » 08 Nov 2019, 17:15

postieblueshirt wrote:Don't matter if there's proof or not to people opening them at work at my office people open there paylines every week nothing is ever said.there going to find something to get us to work one way or another sad but true.

It's not the opening at work that's the issue, it's the posting it on social media for sh***s and giggles and making it look like it was a planned CWU endorsed organised effort that was dumb as a box of rocks.

Stupid is as stupid does.

Pidleypoo · Post by **Pidleypoo** » 08 Nov 2019, 17:20

The technicality of opening mail at work is one of their reasons as Is being coerced by union reps ......you cannot make this up , if they’re so bothered about procedure then where are the machines to weigh bags ? Why don’t most vans have LWT now ? Why don’t they enforce meal reliefs ? Why isn’t park and loop set out correctly in most places such as how much a bag should weigh and why don’t they stop people who go out with overloaded HCT’s ?

As for coercion.... I’ve personally been told in my time at rm that if I didn’t complete the delivery I was on ( not work to my time ) then as a reserve I’d never get another Saturday off again and I could tell you loads more bullying stories like that.

This is the company we work for and why anyone ever cuts any corners for the absolute rubbish we have as managers is beyond me.

The reason I voted to strike more than anything else was the commitment to a change of culture and not once have I seen that.

world class male · Post by **world class male** » 08 Nov 2019, 17:26

the right .... fit.. for profit... and greed to the wealthy at the expense of its work force

doesn't mean anything in the courts, the facts and laws only matter, hope that next week i'll be having humble pie for tea but very much doubt it

bo72 · Post by **bo72** » 08 Nov 2019, 17:31

I had no idea we weren't aloud to open our personal mail on Royal Mail premises. I have done it on numerous occasions and in front of managers and never been pulled up on it. In fact every Thursday wage slips are opened and then taken to managers to complain about unpaid overtime and I don't believe anyone has been questioned. If that is a royal mail rule then they are at fault for not training their staff and managers properly and not enforcing the rules.

bo72 · Post by **bo72** » 08 Nov 2019, 17:32

I had no idea we weren't aloud to open our personal mail on Royal Mail premises. I have done it on numerous occasions and in front of managers and never been pulled up on it. In fact every Thursday wage slips are opened and then taken to managers to complain about unpaid overtime and I don't believe anyone has been questioned. If that is a royal mail rule then they are at fault for not training their staff and managers properly and not enforcing the rules.

Woody Guthrie · Post by **Woody Guthrie** » 08 Nov 2019, 17:34

Dave put up a very poor defence on Sky News and refused to answer the question about whether Labour Party pressure would lead to us calling off the strike.

If you were really cynical you would say this would be a way out of a tricky situation for Labour and the CWU.

Blame the members for actions on social media for invalidating the ballot?

daveyeff · Post by **daveyeff** » 08 Nov 2019, 17:39

does anyone know the grounds on which British Airways and Ryan Air put forward their injunctions (and both lost)?

Binsey · Post by **Binsey** » 08 Nov 2019, 17:45

bo72 wrote:I had no idea we weren't aloud to open our personal mail on Royal Mail premises. I have done it on numerous occasions and in front of managers and never been pulled up on it. In fact every Thursday wage slips are opened and then taken to managers to complain about unpaid overtime and I don't believe anyone has been questioned. If that is a royal mail rule then they are at fault for not training their staff and managers properly and not enforcing the rules.

I would advise strongly against this. Especially in the current climate or the I.B is in.
The last thing you want is too be on there radar.

daveyeff · Post by **daveyeff** » 08 Nov 2019, 17:54

daveyeff wrote:does anyone know the grounds on which British Airways and Ryan Air put forward their injunctions (and both lost)?

just googled it, both were ''legal technicalities' regarding the ballot, which is exactly what these are trying on with us.