norris9 wrote:If we strike for multiple days....how will Royal Mail deal with this? Will they be able to get anyone in to at least get some of the post delivered? Obviously some Posties won't strike and will work....
Basically I am just curious to know what those that strike will come into when they come back in after striking. I guess a mountain of post and parcels....how does this get cleared?....
Do Posties strike and then come back in and do a feck tonne of overtime?
Thinking back (and this was before walk sequenced/sorted mail and tracked stuff) we would just come in and sort the stuff then go out with specials until finishing time. I remember my duty not getting cleared for days. Mind you this was back when RM had plenty of staff and offices weren't cut to the bone personnel wise. It probably took a week to get the office clear.
I can imagine it will be specials and tracked that are prioritised. I'm just going by what happens when I tell my manager I'm working to my time.
antcpfc wrote:We were out for about ten days in 1987. Mail was piled up for weeks after though. No machines to sort in those days it all arrived in bags.
Remember the overtime you used to get to clear it!
antcpfc wrote:We were out for about ten days in 1987. Mail was piled up for weeks after though. No machines to sort in those days it all arrived in bags.
Remember the overtime you used to get to clear it!
they'll not be arsed with any of that...probably get casuals/turncoats and strike breakers/ management to do the sorting...but who's gonna do the driving// logistics at mail centres// you kno'...the skilled work...agency? Meanwhile it would be great to see the management do a bit of modern day opg/slavery work for they're dirty £$ dollars ... THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU...solidarity is strength...the panic is ongoing now as the management get a pay rise% and £1000 bonus from UNITE (on the same day as the cwu ballot result!). Buying 'em 'onboard'. sold out for a few pieces of silver...UNITE you are dogshit on my shoe
billycat wrote:I will never vote for a labour government while Corbyn and his cronies front the labour party the majority of his own MP's want rid of him he will try to drag the country back into the seventies of course this is my opinion and not shared by a lot on this forum.
It is fine to have an opinion even if it is wrong. Voting against a party that wants to nationalise Royal Mail sounds like a sound move on your part.
The nationalisation is a load of hot air. To nationalise the things they say will cost almost £200 billion - which equates to all the income tax paid by UK citizens in a year. Think if you’re gonna vote for Corbyn in the hope that he’ll take RM back into public ownership you may well be disappointed!!
I suggest you research the Labour manifesto in regard tax reform, and how much income that will generate, and also how much money is produced from the industries that would indeed be renationalised. The profits alone would cover the cost of borrowing to carry out Labour's plan. Also check out who the CBI are and who they represent. They represent companies that run the utilities service. Of course they are going to put out scaremongering against nationalisation.
yeah right. 49% of the voteshare went to Labour and the supposedly unelectable Corbyn. It's the biggest swing since 1945!
Alas most of those votes came from London, University towns/cities and the Midlands/north.
Rural county's with low populations; a sort of rotton borough's in a sense, have and always will vote Conservative.
So your supposedly unelectable Corbyn did better than Miliband, Smith; Kinnock and Thatcher! So hardly unelectable; in fact it is quite likely that Corbyn will win a majority government with no need for deals or coalitions.
I must admit even I was shocked at the proposals he revealed at conference this year. Pleased but shocked. The Tories are a shambles and a disgrace and whatever your opinions of Corbyn he can't do any worse for Christ sake!
I would say we’ll see but I doubt we will as Corbyn has virtually no chance of forming a majority government. At best he may be able to cobble together some sort of coalition which will involve many other factions so they will find it very difficult to push through those sort of major policies. Basically Corbyn makes Labour unelectable.
That CBI report was a load of rubbish, absolutely shameful but sadly these days predictable that it got a credibility boost from the BBC and other supposedly reputable outlets: https://fullfact.org/economy/labour-cos ... alisation/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
26l34 wrote:That CBI report was a load of rubbish, absolutely shameful but sadly these days predictable that it got a credibility boost from the BBC and other supposedly reputable outlets: https://fullfact.org/economy/labour-cos ... alisation/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
So was Labour's 2017 'costed' manifesto. McDonnell was told in the build up to the election that the claim would be pulled to pieces by any capable interviewer, but as the Tories never costed their manifesto and Labour were that far behind in the polls at that point they never had anything to lose. Nationalsation is a pipe dream that is never going to happen.
Regarding clearing backlogs after strike action I cannot remember when it happened last although it doesn't seem that long ago. Last time I think we did one day MCs then one day DOs to try and maximise the effect while keeping disruption to posties wages to a minimum. As I recall vaguely I don't think we came off with a good result but that is the usual outcome.
We alternated delivery with one day parcels then one day letters and it was cleared after a week.
This time if industrial action is the only option left we will have to choose much longer periods of delay at the worst time for RM. There has never been this much change planned within the business before so the actions must match the threat to our jobs & working conditions. If it isn't stopped this time it won't be worth staying with RM.
Regarding Mr Corbyn he is a somewhat likeable man in a very difficult position politically. Most MPs wouldn't want him as PM though and the Labour party is now legitimately tarred by what they did in the 1970s but more so with the Brown/Bliar years. A lot of the Labour MPs from the last term who wrecked our country and called it a 'global' event are still standing. The incompetence of these characters is beyond belief and they cannot be allowed back into a position of power again. If we can get a general election then maybe we can get all the bad eggs deselected or voted out. There is so much infighting and disagreement between the various remainer factions at the moment they would not be able to come together.
The views I express here are mine alone and do not represent the views of Royal Mail Group.
Celgar wrote:This time if industrial action is the only option left we will have to choose much longer periods of delay at the worst time for RM. There has never been this much change planned within the business before so the actions must match the threat to our jobs & working conditions. If it isn't stopped this time it won't be worth staying with RM.
At least delivery staff will still have some job security if RM gets its way. Automation in MCs could potentially end up with less then half the amount of jobs, maybe even result in MC closures
Celgar wrote:
Regarding Mr Corbyn he is a somewhat likeable man in a very difficult position politically. Most MPs wouldn't want him as PM though and the Labour party is now legitimately tarred by what they did in the 1970s but more so with the Brown/Bliar years..
More like they're tarred with having a toxic hypocrite as a "leader".
Even with the present shambolic shower of sh*te in government Corbyn and co still lag far behind in the polls.
The situation is very different to Corbyn's surge in popularity in the 2017 election as now the electorate have the measure of him, and it appears they're not happy with what they see.
Renationalisation of RM? Mere hot air from someone who ought to know better.
Does anyone want to explain why it’s a load of hot air, an impossibility?
Also, the financial crisis *was* a global event. Labour’s levels of spending whilst in power were fairly unremarkable by historical standards - of course, they’d bet the lot on the City of London laying those golden eggs forever but anyone who tried to argue said eggs were full of IOUs was called a crank, so. We’re all old enough to remember those Labour governments were popular, people liked seeing their schools and hospitals rebuilt, it’s only with hindsight everyone pretends they always said Brown and Blair’s strategy was a financial disaster waiting to happen. Of course, now that we do know better any future Labour government has to set about building an economy that’s not built on sand, it requires radicalism and potentially decades worth of conflict with vested interests, but it’s the only way, and certainly the only strategy the party of labour should be pursuing - if you want more of the same, or more of the same ‘moderated’ by the people whose political legacy is a 5p carrier bag charge won in exchange for backing welfare cuts that killed people, the Tories and Lib Dems are over there on your right
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There is an argument to nationalise essential national infrastructure like power, water and perhaps at a push transport.
There is no argument for nationalising a parcel delivery company which is basically what we will be shortly.
However on a less serious note you could argue that with the current share price it's not a bad bit of business selling a company at £3.30 a share and buying it back at around £2. Warren Buffet would be proud.
Woody Guthrie wrote:There is an argument to nationalise essential national infrastructure like power, water and perhaps at a push transport.
There is no argument for nationalising a parcel delivery company which is basically what we will be shortly.
However on a less serious note you could argue that with the current share price it's not a bad bit of business selling a company at £3.30 a share and buying it back at around £2. Warren Buffet would be proud.
Wowsers, cynical? moi? Sanguine more like, Mr Guthrie!
Woody Guthrie wrote:There is an argument to nationalise essential national infrastructure like power, water and perhaps at a push transport.
There is no argument for nationalising a parcel delivery company which is basically what we will be shortly.
Personally I’d rather government just levelled the playing field, by introducing a genuine living wage and banning zero hours contracts and bogus self employment - hit the companies that undercut RM by exploiting workers where it hurts. That being said saying there’s no good arguments for having a publicly owned RM smacks of defeatism, of an inability to believe things could be done differently. A nationalised RM could lead the way on workers’ rights and green technology, because the state would provide the funds over the long term - too many private companies are only interested in 6-12 month cycles - and any profits wouldn’t be bleeding away to tax havens.
