Royal Mails game changing parcel strategy : RM letter to Mark Baulch included

Ren Hoëk · Post by **Ren Hoëk** » 18 Apr 2019, 21:08

SpacePhoenix wrote:
Ren Hoëk wrote:
SpacePhoenix wrote:I don't think it's going to be too long before every DO only gets their wave 2 mech walk sorted only, realistically it's got to happen to give time slots a chance of working
I cant see that happening. They are trying to cut down on indoor prep time not add to it. Surely the more likely scenario is re-arranging mail centre shift patterns and/or DO shift patterns to suit? It would seem odd to step back from automation when the rest of the world will be moving forward with it. But then this is RM we are talking about.
With the times of the arrivals in MCs these days, we're sending more manual to DOs now. You get DOs moaning that their getting their mail really late, there's only two things that can happen, other DOs get their mail late instead (and they then moan about getting their mail late) or we send some DOs mail walk sort only or we send every DOs mail walk sort only. There was a quoted timeslot for 9am for someone's item, for 9am time slots to be doable, the mail needs to get into DOs early enough

It would then need to be ready for delivery by 9am as well. Adding that volume of manual prep through the ips then onto a frame would make that unlikely. I suspect they will announce shift changes over losing mech. You'd assume that a goal of RM's would be to have all mail walk sorted through automation ready for delivery. To step in the opposite direction wouldn't make sense.

Binsey · Post by **Binsey** » 19 Apr 2019, 18:27

SpacePhoenix wrote:I don't think it's going to be too long before every DO only gets their wave 2 mech walk sorted only, realistically it's got to happen to give time slots a chance of working

Possibly starting later this year. A number of offices have already trialled and the amount of letters going worksorted on Wave 2 was negligible.

It will need to go to to National agreement I carnt see the CWU agreeing at the moment in the current I/R standoff.

Binsey · Post by **Binsey** » 19 Apr 2019, 18:33

What's happening with Ofcom bringing forward the USO review?

AndrewCarree · Post by **AndrewCarree** » 21 Apr 2019, 08:51

Spoke to a temp DOM yesterday regarding large parcels, 1 in 6 and the allocation of duties. He said, if implemented, each postie would fill in a preference form of whether they would like to do parcel duty or remain on the walks. He also stated a possible number of early retirements would be submitted due to bigger walks. Personally, if they took large parcels out of sorting in our office, getting us out 45 minutes earlier, I'd happilly take 100 calls. Less time listening to bull***t in the office all morning. We currently have to scan and deliver between 12 and 18 York's of tracked daily in a very rural area.

Celgar · Post by **Celgar** » 21 Apr 2019, 15:33

AndrewCarree wrote:Spoke to a temp DOM yesterday regarding large parcels, 1 in 6 and the allocation of duties. He said, if implemented, each postie would fill in a preference form of whether they would like to do parcel duty or remain on the walks. He also stated a possible number of early retirements would be submitted due to bigger walks. Personally, if they took large parcels out of sorting in our office, getting us out 45 minutes earlier, I'd happilly take 100 calls. Less time listening to bull***t in the office all morning. We currently have to scan and deliver between 12 and 18 York's of tracked daily in a very rural area.

Be careful what you wish for - if no one wishes to take early retirement then the last ones in will be the first ones out which may be you. That's just one of many bad outcomes if this change is implemented.

Post by **SpacePhoenix** » 21 Apr 2019, 16:09

One thing that's not been confirmed (afaik) is if Tracked will be covered by this (and what size range) and if any SDs will be covered by it as well

mr hil. · Post by **mr hil.** » 22 Apr 2019, 09:47

Well if tracked items are not part of this then the number of parcels will be negligible, probably only one or two items a day per walk. The vast majority of larger parcels We get are tracked now, over three quarters of our parcel yorks contain tracked maybe even more.

Post by **SpacePhoenix** » 22 Apr 2019, 10:40

mr hil. wrote:Well if tracked items are not part of this then the number of parcels will be negligible, probably only one or two items a day per walk. The vast majority of larger parcels We get are tracked now, over three quarters of our parcel yorks contain tracked maybe even more.

Probably similar to here, based on what we send to the DOs in this area

postslippete · Post by **postslippete** » 22 Apr 2019, 11:31

I personally don't like this strategy of 1 in 6 because its OK Royal Mail saying that we won't deliver anything above shoe-box size - just look at it now and we are not suppose to be delivering these massive parcels that occupy half the van space - yet we are told to go out and deliver them anyway! I think our DOM once took one of those large fridge-freezer parcels back to the mail centre and said we shouldn't be delivering them only to be informed by the clowns above to just go out and get it delivered anyway.

What is to stop Royal Mail pushing forward with these proposals so that we are all out delivering extra calls from another duty AND delivering the oversized parcels that have been accepted into our network and have somehow ended up at our delivery centres as well?

Post by **SpacePhoenix** » 22 Apr 2019, 11:35

postslippete wrote:I personally don't like this strategy of 1 in 6 because its OK Royal Mail saying that we won't deliver anything above shoe-box size - just look at it now and we are not suppose to be delivering these massive parcels that occupy half the van space - yet we are told to go out and deliver them anyway! I think our DOM once took one of those large fridge-freezer parcels back to the mail centre and said we shouldn't be delivering them only to be informed by the clowns above to just go out and get it delivered anyway.

What is to stop Royal Mail pushing forward with these proposals so that we are all out delivering extra calls from another duty AND delivering the oversized parcels that have been accepted into our network and have somehow ended up at our delivery centres as well?

I do sometimes wonder if RM intend to merge Parcelforce into RM or split off medium and large parcels over to Parcelfroce

Celgar · Post by **Celgar** » 22 Apr 2019, 11:57

SpacePhoenix wrote:One thing that's not been confirmed (afaik) is if Tracked will be covered by this (and what size range) and if any SDs will be covered by it as well

Yes it definitely will include the tracked parcels as well.

leolion855 · Post by **leolion855** » 22 Apr 2019, 12:20

postslippete wrote:I personally don't like this strategy of 1 in 6 because its OK Royal Mail saying that we won't deliver anything above shoe-box size - just look at it now and we are not suppose to be delivering these massive parcels that occupy half the van space - yet we are told to go out and deliver them anyway! I think our DOM once took one of those large fridge-freezer parcels back to the mail centre and said we shouldn't be delivering them only to be informed by the clowns above to just go out and get it delivered anyway.

What is to stop Royal Mail pushing forward with these proposals so that we are all out delivering extra calls from another duty AND delivering the oversized parcels that have been accepted into our network and have somehow ended up at our delivery centres as well?

simples work to time.

But if you've watched the cwu video you'll have seen this subject does not exist yet its just a 1 of a number of suggestions that rm may look into in the future and the union dont currently support this option.

Post by **SpacePhoenix** » 22 Apr 2019, 12:34

Celgar wrote:
SpacePhoenix wrote:One thing that's not been confirmed (afaik) is if Tracked will be covered by this (and what size range) and if any SDs will be covered by it as well
Yes it definitely will include the tracked parcels as well.

Well then ALL outward MCs will need to sort out the separation of small Tracked and Large Tracked. There's a loads of yorks of "large Tracked" that actually have main small Tracked and there's loads of sleeves of "small Tracked" that will have lots of large Tracked

Woody Guthrie · Post by **Woody Guthrie** » 23 Apr 2019, 16:21

Celgar wrote:
SpacePhoenix wrote:One thing that's not been confirmed (afaik) is if Tracked will be covered by this (and what size range) and if any SDs will be covered by it as well
Yes it definitely will include the tracked parcels as well.

No it won't.
At the moment the plan is to remove 3&4 from the network, not tracked.

Post by **SpacePhoenix** » 23 Apr 2019, 16:29

Woody Guthrie wrote:
Celgar wrote:
SpacePhoenix wrote:One thing that's not been confirmed (afaik) is if Tracked will be covered by this (and what size range) and if any SDs will be covered by it as well
Yes it definitely will include the tracked parcels as well.
No it won't.
At the moment the plan is to remove 3&4 from the network, not tracked.

If it doesn't include Tracked then it's probably not going to be worth it, as what gets sorted as "large Tracked" is probably now way more then what gets sorted as "large parcels"